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I would like to propose no longer using the name that is also the name of the person currently in the position of
Supreme-Commander-in-Chief of an army that is waging a war outside of the borders of its country. There seems to be no particular use for precisely this name to be used as an example, and
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Taking a look at the article on the name Vera, it suggests that the name itself originated in Slavic languages and the only suggestion it had a different origin is poorly sourced. I would also argue that the fact it is being pared with a Slavic diminuitive makes it obvious that we are dealing with a
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Lehndorff is German, of German aristocratic descent. While she was born in East Prussia, perhaps making a Slavic name more likely, this statement needs a citation. If it can't be supported, it can perhaps still be rescued, by removing the claim of it being a Slavic name
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