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optional/arguable periphery. Nonetheless, these terms are used and they mean something to the jouranlists and politicians and artists who use them, and to their audiences. (Phew, my talk is getting increasingly philosophical here). And, on the other hand, some formally designated regions or clusters of states and other entities (such as
Western Asia) remain poorly used in spite of their unequivocal, unbiased and descritive nature.
826:. I also realize that there may arguably be many more such regions whose names and approximate locations and boundaries are found only in the minds of people, but that these definitions and delimitations find their way into the names used by international organizations and corporations (e.g. newspapers that in their very name convey a message about which geographical zone they intend to cover). Ideas?
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3569:: Bounded in the east by the Ural mountains etc. The A maps are political, and thus unsuited for this template's purpose. Plus, the Europe A map also includes Israel and Jordan, and Jordan isn't in Europe at all. The problem with Greater Europe is that there are plenty of definitions and hardly two people speaking of Greater Europe mean the same thing.
2130:. To embrace the UN classification is a little POV, I'll admit, but at least it allows users to navigate the articles with ease. In those articles they can then learn about finer POV points. I think you are no probably right that there is no need to create UN subregion articles. However I do think this template's design is a problem to be solved.
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longer until we have Celtic Europe, Germanic Europe, etc (and all the conflict that will appear?). If we add to that all the other cultures (on all the other continents) I predict a very bad time for this template. IMHO we should only keep the geographical regions and simply remove all the cultural ones. Hey, I like to be honest.
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person in the world knows that Mexico is in North
America. If a user is looking for Central America, he or she will surely will find the info with no problems. We should list the regions as internationally known and used. The UN subdivision is not common and as stated by the UN it is used ONLY for statistical convinience.
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Expanded map for Europe, since it is much more detailed. I however am not so struck by the alternate Asia map, since it doesn't colour all Asia one colour. The Europe one has all "core" Europe one colour, and then a lighter shade for extended Europe. The Asia one seems to imply
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is more informative than the talk page. There is clearly some sockpuppetry, and suggestions of one or more banned users disrupting this template. Semi-protection is an option, though I am also considering full protection. Hopefully a discussion will follow which can clarify the problems with the maps
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Exactly, I think its silly to have North and
Northern America, or do you think we should include South and Southern America??, most people around the world divide the Americas/America, into 4 simple regions: North America, Central America, the Caribbean and South America, just because the UN includes
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Here's an idea: The template could stay as it is now (which is fine by me), or it could be clearly divided (with a thick line!) into a "UN" section and an "other" section. But then a number of the "other" regions would more or less coincide with the UN subregions, just by a different name... Example:
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I have no major problem with this template except the tacit assertion that these are THE regions of the world rather than just one classification among many. An encyclopedia, as wikipedia is supposed to be, has the potential to come across as authoritative and objective, and care should be taken, I
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I'd only prune the template by shifting subregions into lists if there were a clear and consensual method to do so, but I agree that's less rather than more likely. I'm happy for the template to stay in its current form if that's where a consensus lies. I suspect any ideas on trimming the whitespace
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Weighing in rather late regarding this, I don't see what the problem is with the current template: aesthetics aside (which I don't necessarily agree with), it is navigable, functional, structured, yet inclusive. How is the current template unworkable? The proposed Temp3 template, and predecessors,
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I'm liking your proposal better and better by the minute! However, I disagree that entirely separate articles need to be created for the UN subregions, since these are already duly mentioned in seperate sections in their respective articles (or at least more or less duly...). But since Latin
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America appearing twice, I think it's because it straddles North (well, Central) America and South America. Re Central America, so far as I'm aware the Americas are usually first divided into North America and South America, then into smaller regions which include Central America as part of
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Redirects are a useful way of accounting for 'popular' terms, but any work that purports to have encyclopedic worth needs to take a more rigorous approach. Take the use of 'America', for example, while most people do associate this with 'The United States of
America', it is inaccurate on grounds of
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We should have either 7 regions (Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe, North
America, Polar Regions, South America), or 6 regions (Africa, Australia, Eurasia, North America, Polar Regions, and South America), or 5 regions (Africa, Americas, Australia, Eurasia, and Polar Regions). But having Americas as
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Hmmm, I'm not sure if agree with that (Central Asia) but as I'm not intent in imposing my personal opinion in this matter perhaps we should use the 'Greater Europe' article instead. At least it also includes
Greenland (geographically located in North America) and a few others. If you truly want to
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one might argue for different regions. I suspect most of the criticisms about this template relate to people approaching it from a political or a cultural point of view, as these are perhaps the two most common ways people think about the world and its regions. Some other common ways of thinking
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I am adding a link to "North
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for statistical convinience under an economic point of view. The most world-wide known educational systems divides the Americas in North, Central and South. Although "North America" includes the countries of Central America, a clarification should be made in the Article "Central America" to inform
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Yes I know - slight problems, although I think the Latin America one is the most pressing. Thing is, to accommodate the UN fully we need an extra column (so that the Americas section is split) and this makes it much more untidy. Again I would suggest that sacrifices have to be made for simplicity.
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I also think that the current template does attempt to address this in a balanced manner, but, as per above, I wonder about the subjectivity of inclusion/exclusion in the third category of regions. Who is to judge whether one such region is eligible for inclusion and on what grounds? In many cases
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Yes: I think the current (restructured) template largely reflects this now, though I wish it was less vertically challenged and it could probably beg for some formatting improvements. I thought about italicising the informal regions, but decided against it because I wonder if another editor would
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I guess my main jist is this: what should be included in this template? I'd advocate for including just common and top-level geographic and geopolitical regions in the template (viz. those that can be cited and are agreeable, like the UN subregions), or stratifying them somehow. Otherwise, it'll
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But those places are not Eurasian. By Central Asia being called Eurasia, you are calling those places Eurasian. Please cite sources indicating that Central Asia and Eurasia are used interchangeable. Until you do so, it is OR. If there are no cited sources in 24 hours, I will revert the edits once
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Thanks for the feedback and encouragement! I don't share the feeling that the current template is bulky (though maybe some whitespace can be removed from it): the current template seems a balance between top-level regions and smaller ones without getting too detailed or oversimplifying notions.
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Thinking of similar navigational templates, I feel the current template is too bulky. Taking Africa as an example, would a solution be to convert the ordinal links in the first line ("Central Africa", "Eastern Africa", etc) into links to pages such as "List of regions in Central Africa", "List of
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When Maltalia says that the A maps are more detailed is he refering to the fact that those maps show country borders? Well, in maps so small in order to be in a template, I hardly believe that to be an issue. In the respective continent articles, all of that is explained and graphically shown in
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I've just reorganised the template according to a two-line system, where for each region X, the first line lists subregions identified by (usually primary) compass point; and the second line lists the other subregions (usually smaller than those on the first line). I think this helps prevent the
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and I've been watching at this particular template. I'm afraid that many of the regions which are slowly appearing are slowly spoiling the whole template. I mean Latin Europe is at most a cultural region and not a geographical one. Then we have Latin America. Now we have Slavic Europe. How much
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I do not agree with the proposed template. I think we should use the most commonly known subdivisions of the world. For example if a user is looking for North America they will not find it! Instead they will go to "Northern America" and for example Mexico is not included there, and almost every
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I've been looking at the template:region and the template:continent and they seem similar enough that with a few additions to the region template, the continent template would become redundant and could be discontinued. The inspiring thought came when I saw Antarctica was a featured article and
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treat this information, comparing and contrasting (if needed) with usual or common reckonings for these conceptual constructs. It's counterproductive to create article forks to house information that should reside in one spot for the benefit of users. Dedicated lists and categories should be
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I like it! Note, however, that "Latin America" is used in the UN context as an intermediate grouping of three of the subregions proper; it is not a UN subregion in its own right. Also, "Australia and New Zealand" is the name of one single UN subregion covering three seperate entities. See also
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Yes - is annoying people are like that isn't it! I quite like your list of subregions idea but it does create a fair amount of work before this template can be changed. Perhaps we could focus our efforts on ensuring the subregions that will be deleted from here are prominantly linked from the
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I have no sources to cite right off the top of my skull. Part of this crux lies in the definition of a (sub-)region: Many of the more informal terms used in public discourse on both formal and informal levels to describe a certain area have no set boundaries; they have only a core and an
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is amidst other regions of simpler title. As well, given that North and South America (continents) are almost universally known by those terms, I suggest moving subregional articles as above more for consistency and, to a lesser degree, to obviate ambiguity. Thoughts? Also, see below.
2515:(Thanks for wasting our time.) This does not make his/her arguments invalid but it does mean there is less opposition to the proposed redesign than first appears. Perhaps, indeed, it is ready to be implemented? Am I correct in thinking David Kernow and BigAdamsky support this? Cheers
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I would in fact suggest possibly creating new maps entirely, which combine features of both A and B. It can still show Greater Europe etc, but be more accurate than the current map, since following the sources, some of the countries included in this map don't seem to fit with the
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Right, firstly, can you just block all the IPs from editing. This is too confusing, and if they want to contribute, they can make an account so that they are identifiable. Secondly, it is Ogre who tagged the images, so using the excuse that they are "tagged" is not valid.
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tools - even if they occasionally compromise accuracy or NPOV to do so. Lots of children and new users are going to be navigating the country/continent pages and in my opinion, having Show/Hide templates which repeat each other's material will be immediately
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regions in Eastern Africa", etc and then move the links on the second line ("Great Lakes", "Guinea", "Horn of Africa", etc) out of the template to the relevant lists – then do the same for the Americas and Eurasia? It might be easier to convert Andeggs'
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DK: I'm unsure. I guess we could reverse the question: how often does one hear East Europe or North Europe? Take a glance at the subregions for Africa, for example, and it strikes me as mildly odd if not inconsistent (for obvious reasons, though) that
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I agree that the current template is becoming (if not already) large and the criteria for including subcontinental (sub)regions probably too woolly. Perhaps it may never be anything but very woolly, in which case a solution may be to adopt Andeggs'
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a great deal. The first is a region combining elements of Central and Eastern, while the term "greater Horn" is a nice way of getting a subset of East Africa. That said, the Horn isn't listed on the template and I'm not sure I've ever heard of
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I don't think the above discussion shows any consensus for a total adherence to the UN system, just that the UN system is a useful guide. Keeping "Northern America" is both silly and violates the basic Knowledge policy of using common names. -
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Central Asian places like Afghanistan, Tibet, and Xinjiang that have nothing to do with Europe should not be dubbed Eurasian. Please cite sources that actually refer to Central Asia and Eurasia interchangeably. I am reverting unref'ed edits.
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Hmmm; I'm unsure this is a problem that needs to be solved ... if even there is one. I prefer the current template – I'm all for highlighting and using the UN scheme to organise this and that, but I think the current sublime segregation of
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deserves inclusion, or some could argue that? I feel if the template is pruned, as proposed, someone will liberally add more regions to it anyway. And if this template's edit history is any indication, the template currently seems rather
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in that article presents some problems (it includes Jordan, and some "suspect" countries in Asia). But that is not a matter of concern for this template. To be safe I'm going to include the proper requests for improvement in the article.
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this gets difficult to assess and justify, and some category 3 regions - new term! =] - are defined by physical geography while others are macro-economic in nature. I totally concur about North and South America (as discussed elsewhere)
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Knowledge ought to take a more consistent approach to the naming conventions used for the regions of the African continent. Officially, they are Northern, Western, Eastern, Southern, and Central, and should be recognized accordingly.
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Currently the template has ]. Is that correct? From reading the above I'm guessing the display text is set according to one preference/standard and the page name is set according to some other preference/standard. Can anyone clarify?
2216:) ... thereby seeming rather weasely. And, again, they are not solely UN regions but ones that are commonly known. To use an adage: if it ain't broke, don't fix it ... and even if it is, the proposed template isn't the solution.
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causes some overlap of coverage, but it would be even worse to leave out the article at North America. I believe that including North, Central, and South America on the template is the best configuration, with the fewest faults.
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could then be used to offer users the option to see/use either or both. I'd also retain the location pictures as they help distinguish which set of links to read through to find a particular subcontinent/region/etc. Regards,
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Goodie. They could be further categorized as either A) continents, B) UN regions or C) other regions. The last category is the one most vulnerable to edit wars over what's in and what's left out. For example, why include the
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On the NPOV point, Pluribus, which is a very interesting one, I don't think we will ever escape it. Nationalists, colonialists and expansionists, etc. will no doubt disagree with the current divisions. Think for example of
1826:"North" America. I agree, though, that there's much to be said for an initial three-way division of the Americas (into North, Central and South America) but I don't think that's the norm... Anyone else know more? Regards,
3583:-firm support for the B maps as per above. The A maps aren't even good quality, the grey and greens are not consistent across the map. The bitmap editors the user was using "smeared" the colors so that the colors got off.
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Re making templates clear, easy-to-use navigational tools, I'd say the return of the location pictures certainly helps. On the cosmetic side, would you mind if the (non-aligned) colons were removed? Thanks for your work,
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Regions are conceptual constructs and, thus, vary depending on source and even on user. And the 'UN' regions above are not just those indicated by the UN but in common usage. And what of others: foe example, surely the
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In any event, I disagree that the current design is problematic and the proposed template does not allay any of the concerns cited and prompts added ones. The current one, in the least, proceeds from larger to smaller
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as an attempt to solve the UN/not-UN debate and also to make the template a bit easier to use. The location pictures have had been sacrificed for space but most people know where Africa is anyway. Thoughts? Comments?
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You see, there is a lot of controversy regarding that. Namely the Turkey issue. Regarding Israel... well I suppose we should just colour all of the Americas and Australia/New Zealand as being part of Europe, no?!?
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Compared to other regions here, Middle East is incredibly biased, controversial, ambiguous and subjective term. It's simply not in the same league with terms like Europe, Asia, Africa. I'm going to remove it. --
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This template is too much. It's a big unwieldy mess that in trying to include EVERYTHING has become meaningless and hard to navigate. Suggest it gets wound back to its former size and just be a normal template.
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I have changed the name of the link "Eurasia" to "Central Asia". If that was all you wanted reverted, you should have just changed that; but your original revert left a whole variety of valid changes undone.
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within regions (and linked appropriately) is interesting, but this seems a make-work project for not what: most of these sub/regions are already listed in the that article or (if not) should be added to it.
1116:... where usage is generally distinct with cited examples.) Is there a reason why one article cannot deal with notions of both? One should redirect to the other and, without, objection, I will do this.
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to achieve the same. Either way, I feel links to regions such as "Great Lakes", "Patagonia", "Anatolia", "Benelux", "Kazakh Steppes", etc are probably best kept one link away from the template. Regards,
2312:. My argument is that we should strive for a neat, workable navigation template by overcoming these problems rather than lumbering on with the current unworkable, biased and down-right ugly version. ;-)
1275:. Yes? Then all the informal, but commonly used, regions with variable definitions can be added underneath in italics to denote their fuzziness, while at the same time acknowledging their extensive use.
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Reverted. Yes it is a completely Eurocentric term, but unfortunately it's a very common one, and it's one of the most well-known cultural regions of the world. Without it, the template would be flawed.
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Most fundamentally I have removed all non-UN links. This is radical but I think it's the only way of keeping a hold on this template which just seems to grow without limit. How can we justify including
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even though this excludes "North America". Note that the first few lines of the page on Northern America does link to the constituent countries so this system is navigationally efficient. Thanks
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think, to make sure readers know something like a list of regions of the world is a generalized classification scheme with a specific point of view, and that other equally valid systems exist.
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features continental divisions, subdivisions, etc. For now, I'd say keep both, as this seems a useful distinction. Not quite sure what/where your African inspiration lies...? Regards,
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in highlighting the UN or any one scheme. In addition, the 'UN' regions are not limited to the UN (i.e., they are in common usage) and may have interpretations that differ (e.g.,
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I'm pretty sure Maryland is not a part of Asia. Or at-least the Maryland that is linked is not in Asia but the United States. As pointed out by FoulCoke on reddit.com/r/maryland
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For all the above reasons, I believe that the A maps are just wrong and, in fact, POV. So the B maps are the ones who should be placed in the template. Thank you.
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pea. Borders are determined by the artistic nature of the person drawing. Article displays the flag as well as other goodies of the proposed kurdish nation.
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I'm not really sure what you mean. Perhaps if you carry out the changes on the article, we can see how we can proceed from there? :)
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to be given a try, perhaps with the "links to lists of subregions" suggested above...? Regards,
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