191:, more than just a screenshot is needed for these kinds of statements. You'd need to cite an actual, published (as in, in a newspaper) review or article about the film in which someone makes this observation, or you'd need a quote from Bakshi himself saying that the character either was meant to be based on Sharpton, or that he didn't realize that the character resembled Sharpton when he was making the film but that he found some similarity later on, etc. These are just the rules. It's better to keep things accurate. Our own observations don't mean anything. I wanted to write something about the Miss America character being used as a metaphor for the way blacks have been treated in the United States, but I didn't have any official sources to back it up. It's true, but I can't prove it. (
1323:- she's still learning the ropes (so am I for that matter, and I've been here over 2 years!). The article needs work, but it is a good start - it gives us a base to work with. I'm sure she plans on working on it some more. I couldn't find the ownership issue being discussed above, but it doesn't appear that Janay meant to claim ownership of the article, she just didn't know that the procedure she used ran counter to our style guidelines. No harm done, I'm sure it won't happen again. By the way, I hope the Princess goes for many more barnstars that I've offered. I look forward to awarding as many of them as she earns.
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726:... and I should add: I've restored the red link. I've also deleted the "technical" template you added. It's hard to see how it could be too technical when the article doesn't give any details or specifics at all. I'd like to see those "technical" things added. I've added the "expert" template to call attention to the need for that.
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good faith here. I think we can agree that
Princess Janay needs some friendly coaching. I wish I had someone like you to take an interest in my Wiki-wellbeing when I started. She is lucky she ran into you, as there are many who would not be as sympathetic. I'm confident, that between us, we can point her in the right direction.
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If trying to earn barnstars is the motivation for a user to create pages, improve pages, etc., then I'm all for it. Different people are motivated in different ways. Some go for awards, some just let them happen. Sure, barnstars aren't
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I'm sorry bad use of the language here. By "presentation" I meant the fact someone I realise now was not you put the information in the article as if it was a discussion page (using a username etc...). So I, thinking he just was not aware of the way wikipedia works, placed it in the discussion area.
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Trying to earn a barnstar is a very good reason to write an article. Yes, I am looking into becoming an admin, and I will become one if I decide to, which I did.I did not need to leave an edit summary, because I wrote the article, which is plain to see WITHOUT an edit summary. Check the history, if
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Trying to earn a barnstar? That is not a reason to create an article. The article was a dictionary definition type article on a subject already covered by another page here and at
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everything I had contributed to the discussion. :0 And I got reamed over it. Ā :( Hopefully, we can instruct Janay on
Wikiquette before she gets herself into a similar situation. Covering the details as you did above isn't rambling, so don't worry about it - it's easy to see we're all acting in
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I added a bunch of extra resources. The object was in fact seen from few residents from Homer. Many Kodiak residents did see the object and there was in fact a government response involved. It was a real UFO sighting, there were newspaper articles written about it. Since it was a proven experience
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As it turns out, it is my problem. My wireless antenna is going down in flames and not everything I send is being recieved, should be fixed by the weekend, but I don't think I can use
Twinkle till then cuz it's been nothiong but trouble this past week. Anyway, Thanks for the help and good luck at
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As I have tried to explain, looking at someone's edit history and noticing that they have added material that does not meet
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Hello, there. It seems as though you are following me consistently around
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It's your talk page, do whatever you like, but I was much more concerned that you take what I have said to heart when voting at AfD or any other editing here. All the rapid editing you are doing may make your edit count go up fast, but ask yourself, is that more important than the good of the
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I don't agree that one should try to earn barnstars; that's just something that happens. However, the redirect was to a somewhat long disambiguation page that doesn't have any link to an article about cures in the medical sense, and the article was not just a dictionary definition.
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to find it. I signed up to write that article for an Award, and I wanted him to see that it was written. Also, why did you delete it?????? I am trying to earn a barnstar, and you do not realize how hard it was to write that one! P.S I am not new. I know Knowledge's
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G-Nome are valid, although they could use some work. I am requesting that you cease following me around Knowledge and requesting that all my articles and edits be undone. Should you continue harassing me, I will report it to the administrators for
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Thanks for reverting that attack, i very much appreciate it. I guess with all the reverting i have been doing it was bound to happen but like thats going to stop me. Keep up the great work and dont let the vandals bring you down. Thanks again
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I don't think you did anything wrong, I was just suggesting that rapid-fire editing and voting should often be followed up with a second look at a later time, especially at AfD, where circumstances often change in the course of debate.
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you REALLY want to know what other people have been doing, which frankly I don't. You can talk to The Transhumanist, and ask HIM what happened with the article. By the way, I was talking about one type of cure, medical.--
1319:, and offered to award a barnstar to anyone who did an excellent job creating it, and Princess Janay stepped up to accept that challenge. She's fairly new at this Knowledge thing (having started in January), so please
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Thanks, that is what I am looking for, to protect me and my works vs. Filipino editors who vandalize, using in the name of Wiki, selected or tailor made parts of rules for their vengeance or ulterior motives. Regards.
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Your "whatever" link links to a page titled "complete bollocks". That would seem to imply I'm being dishonest. Is there some reason for that? Should I take it you don't agree with the "assume good faith" policy?
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may be reading an article on a related topic and see the red link that he would never see on the "requested article" page. At any rate, I'm shocked to see your attitude that is so opposed to Knowledge conventions.
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Hey man I did not remove your info about the scandal. I just put it in the discussion as your presentation made me think you wanted to do so yourself. Im sorry if I caused any inconvenience. Take care.
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That is directly contrary to Knowledge policies, if I understand correctly. If there ought to be an article, the link should be there as an invitation to click on it and create the article.
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Hey, I think you're right, they are the same person. Well, one down one to go. If you want to make it easy for the admins, you could review the prod and add the prod2 template if you agree.
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Hello. Recently, I found you left a message on my talk page. Might I ask you what on earth you are talking about? I don't think I did anything wrong. Maybe I am mistaken. Thanks.
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