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published annually, from the mid '80s to the mid '90s, that was a printed database of GD concerts, including song lists. (It's cited as a reference in some GD related WP articles.) Extremely useful, because it presented the data in several different ways. The information about the concerts from the first few years of the band was somewhat incomplete, but after that they had it nailed. They also have a web site, which apparently hasn't been updated in years, but which can still be used to do online searches of their database. Check it out, by going to
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Syndrome-foggy eyeballs I call it. I'm close to calling it quits or taking on an easier Wikijob like finding/fixing dead links or something.
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their career. Because many were recently recorded and included previously unreleased original material, they often filled the role of traditional studio albums. An integral part of the contemporaneous evolution of the band, such live albums are included in this section." This is an established consensus of editors, and has been discussed several times, most recently at
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and leaving. *typical felmale whine omitted" Maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age, but WP doesn't seem to have any "there there". I admit, I got TOO emotionally involved with creating J Grinnell. And Greg won't help, he hates WP (The Lost
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Hey stranger.... I am wondering if you think JG's article is good enough to nom to GA? or should I not even bother snymore? I'm pretty much at the point regarding WP of being, as you said, "disenchanted". I'd like to work together with you on an article but I'm also thinking of closing out my account
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to notify editors of the different discussion threads. So I've changed the auto-archiving time back, from 120 days to 60 days. Let's see how that goes. Thanks again for the suggestion.
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