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Gilbert, Count of the Maasgau

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130:, Nithard describes a Gilbert who was "Gislebertus comes Mansuariorum", literally Gilbert count of the Mansuarians - who would be an unknown people. This Gilbert was among the northern notable who Charles the Bald was keen to gain to his side after his victory, and Nithard said that Gilbert offered to join Charles, if Charles should enter his country. 404:"Veterum scriptorum et monumentorum historicorum, dogmaticorum, moralium, amplissima collectio. Tomus 1. 9. ... Prodiit nunc primum studio & opera Domni Edmundi Martene, & Domni Ursini Durand, presbyterorum & monachorum benedictinorum e Congregatione S. Mauri Tomus 2. In quo continentur vetera monumenta imperialis monasterii Stab" 209:
As explained above, the few records which exist are enough to demonstrate that Count Gilbert was associated with the region between the Silva Carbonaria and the Meuse. However, as is typical for this period, it is difficult to assign exact counties to him in the way that medieval lords would
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In 840 after the death of Louis the Pious, a Giselbert is described by Nithard as one of those who defected by not coming when called upon by Charles the Bald to fight his brother Lothar. Nithard's comment indicates that while subjects were faithful to Charles between the
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Gilbert's background is not known. The similarity of his apparent son's name to the name "Ragnar" has been used as an argument to suggest a Viking connection. Another possibility is that he was related to a man named
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Alternatively, given that the record from St Truiden is not referring to an area near the Meuse, this term is seen as the name of a larger jurisdiction whose definition is no longer known, probably connected to the
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In 885, a senior Count Gislebert ("illustrissimus comes") had the emperor grant one of his vassals a manse in the villa of "Alnith", including common rights in the forest of "Halsinas", in the
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In 877, the year of Charles the Bald's death, a Count Giselbert was one of a group of counts from the area towards the Meuse who could support the son of Charles the Bald,
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and possibly also the Meuse gau. Variants have been argued by Maurice Gysseling, Gorissen, Eugen Ewig, Ulrich Nonn and others, and these also note that there was a "
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Mansuaria has been given various explanations, which note that the spelling "Masuarinsis" (without "n") is found in another medieval document, the
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conceded all of Lotharingia to be once again under the eastern Frankish kingdom ("Germany"). From 884 until his death in 887, the eastern king,
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In 846, the annals mention a Count Gilbert who abducted an unnamed daughter of Lothar I and his wife Ermengarde of Tours. He took her to
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was made, which ceded much of Lotharingia to Charles the Bald. A Count Gilbert was mentioned in some later records from this time:
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Various proposals have been made about his family connections and exact titles, though most of these are considered uncertain.
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A common proposal is that Mansuaria is simply derived from a spelling variation of the early Frankish "Masau" or Maasao, a
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Rösch suggests that Gilbert's wife was named Ermengarde, but there is no conclusive evidence that this is correct.
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also make two mentions of a Count Gilbert in subsequent years, who is generally thought to be the same person.
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created this "middle kingdom" and fought over it, and he is mentioned as playing a role on both sides.
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In 848, a few years later, the same Annals of Fulda say that Count Gilbert and Lother were reconciled.
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Based upon a contemporary description of him as "comes Mansuariorum", it is proposed that he held the
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even ruled the western kingdom ("France"). Another possible record of Gilbert is sometimes proposed:
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Albert is mentioned as a brother of Reginar, probably Reginar I or a relative.
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Struggle for Empire: Kingship and Conflict under Louis the German, 817–876
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Die Stellung Ribuariens in der Verfassungsgeschichte des Merowingerreichs
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typically be described from the 11th century. The description as
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and married her in an attempt to force Lothair to reinstate him.
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He is believed to be a likely ancestor or close relative of
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Recueil des Chartes de l'abbaye de Stavelot-Malmédy
280:, distant from both the Hesbaye and the Meuse/Maas. 498:Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, 751–987 237:on both sides of the Meuse (Maas) river north of 50:, but he switched sides to join Charles' brother 533: 513:(Verlag Degener & Co, Neustadt an der Aisch) 27:, during his lifetime in the 9th century. The 453:Revue belge de Philologie et d'Histoire Année 79:He is sometimes seen as a count who held the 214:, has been the subject of much discussion. 522:Halkin, J. and Roland, C. J. (eds.) (1909) 106:, a near contemporary, mentions him twice: 225:, which was describing places near modern 430: 446: 534: 500:(Longman, London and New York) p. 230. 126:In 841, after Charles' victory at the 83:, which included the pagus of Darnau. 17:Gilbert (Giselbert), Count of Maasgau 470: 249:, showing another similar spelling. 169:, in the county of Count Giselbert. 13: 14: 558: 449:"Maasgouw, Haspengouw, Mansuarië" 479: 380:, Cornell University Press, 2006 38:in 840, Gilbert was a vassal of 516: 503: 484:, vol. 1, pp. 450–471 433:"Malmédy en de via Mansuarisca" 98: 490: 422: 410: 396: 383: 370: 354: 341: 328: 298:(a nobleman from the court of 1: 322: 128:Battle of Fontenay-en-Puisaye 547:9th-century counts in Europe 204: 119:rivers, men from beyond the 7: 431:Gysseling, Maurice (1975), 165:is named as a place in the 23:noble in what would become 10: 563: 284: 496:McKitterick, R. (1983) 389:Capitulary of Quierzy, 511:Caroli Magni Progenies 465:10.3406/rbph.1964.2516 376:Eric Joseph Goldberg, 308:Children may include: 471:Nonn, Ulrich (1983), 447:Gorissen, P (1964), 526:, Tome I (Brussels) 473:Pagus und Comitatus 419:in the MGH edition. 393:in the MGH edition. 351:of the MGH edition. 338:of the MGH edition. 223:Abbey of St Truiden 174:Louis the Stammerer 161:In 863, Soye, near 46:which later became 34:After the death of 29:Carolingian dynasty 212:comes Mansuariorum 182:Treaty of Ribemont 155:Treaty of Meerssen 509:Rösch, S. (1977) 361:Annales Fuldenses 347:Nithard, iii.2, 92:Reginarid dynasty 554: 542:House of Reginar 527: 520: 514: 507: 501: 494: 488: 485: 476: 475:, pp. 92–95 467: 443: 426: 420: 414: 408: 407: 400: 394: 387: 381: 374: 368: 363:under year 846, 358: 352: 345: 339: 334:Nithard, ii.2, 332: 275: 121:Silva Carbonaria 81:Pagus Lomacensis 71: 40:Charles the Bald 562: 561: 557: 556: 555: 553: 552: 551: 532: 531: 530: 521: 517: 508: 504: 495: 491: 427: 423: 415: 411: 402: 401: 397: 388: 384: 375: 371: 367:in MGH version. 359: 355: 346: 342: 333: 329: 325: 287: 261: 259:Via Mansuarisca 247:pago Mosariorum 207: 186:Charles the Fat 167:pagus of Darnau 101: 65: 44:western kingdom 36:Louis the Pious 12: 11: 5: 560: 550: 549: 544: 529: 528: 515: 502: 489: 487: 486: 477: 468: 459:(2): 383–398, 444: 421: 409: 395: 382: 369: 353: 340: 326: 324: 321: 320: 319: 316: 286: 283: 282: 281: 250: 206: 203: 202: 201: 178: 177: 170: 151: 150: 147: 134:The Annals of 132: 131: 124: 100: 97: 96: 95: 84: 77: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 559: 548: 545: 543: 540: 539: 537: 525: 519: 512: 506: 499: 493: 483: 480:Ewig, Eugen, 478: 474: 469: 466: 462: 458: 454: 450: 445: 442: 438: 434: 429: 428: 425: 418: 413: 405: 399: 392: 386: 379: 373: 366: 362: 357: 350: 344: 337: 331: 327: 317: 314: 311: 310: 309: 306: 303: 301: 297: 293: 279: 273: 269: 265: 260: 256: 251: 248: 244: 240: 236: 232: 231: 230: 228: 224: 220: 215: 213: 199: 195: 191: 190: 189: 187: 183: 175: 171: 168: 164: 160: 159: 158: 156: 148: 145: 141: 140: 139: 137: 129: 125: 122: 118: 114: 109: 108: 107: 105: 93: 89: 85: 82: 78: 75: 72:on the lower 69: 64: 60: 59: 58: 55: 53: 49: 45: 41: 37: 32: 30: 26: 22: 18: 523: 518: 510: 505: 497: 492: 481: 472: 456: 452: 440: 436: 424: 412: 398: 385: 377: 372: 360: 356: 343: 330: 307: 304: 288: 246: 245:as being in 218: 216: 211: 208: 193: 180:In 880, the 179: 153:In 870, the 152: 133: 102: 99:Attestations 56: 33: 16: 15: 300:Charlemagne 262: [ 136:Fulda Abbey 66: [ 25:Lotharingia 536:Categories 323:References 239:Maastricht 313:Reginar I 296:Meginhere 294:, son of 276:" in the 205:Mansuaria 144:Aquitaine 88:Reginar I 437:Naakunde 278:Ardennes 243:Susteren 90:and the 52:Lothar I 21:Frankish 292:Reginar 255:Hesbaye 221:of the 198:Condroz 104:Nithard 42:in the 285:Family 63:Maasau 48:France 19:was a 417:p.371 391:p.359 349:p.663 336:p.656 274:] 227:Diest 219:Gesta 194:pagus 163:Namur 117:Meuse 113:Seine 74:Meuse 70:] 365:p.36 115:and 461:doi 302:). 235:gau 196:of 538:: 457:42 455:, 451:, 439:, 435:, 272:de 270:; 268:fr 266:; 264:nl 68:nl 463:: 441:7 200:. 176:. 94:. 76:.

Index

Frankish
Lotharingia
Carolingian dynasty
Louis the Pious
Charles the Bald
western kingdom
France
Lothar I
Maasau
nl
Meuse
Pagus Lomacensis
Reginar I
Reginarid dynasty
Nithard
Seine
Meuse
Silva Carbonaria
Battle of Fontenay-en-Puisaye
Fulda Abbey
Aquitaine
Treaty of Meerssen
Namur
pagus of Darnau
Louis the Stammerer
Treaty of Ribemont
Charles the Fat
Condroz
Abbey of St Truiden
Diest

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