130:, Nithard describes a Gilbert who was "Gislebertus comes Mansuariorum", literally Gilbert count of the Mansuarians - who would be an unknown people. This Gilbert was among the northern notable who Charles the Bald was keen to gain to his side after his victory, and Nithard said that Gilbert offered to join Charles, if Charles should enter his country.
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As explained above, the few records which exist are enough to demonstrate that Count
Gilbert was associated with the region between the Silva Carbonaria and the Meuse. However, as is typical for this period, it is difficult to assign exact counties to him in the way that medieval lords would
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In 840 after the death of Louis the Pious, a
Giselbert is described by Nithard as one of those who defected by not coming when called upon by Charles the Bald to fight his brother Lothar. Nithard's comment indicates that while subjects were faithful to Charles between the
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Gilbert's background is not known. The similarity of his apparent son's name to the name "Ragnar" has been used as an argument to suggest a Viking connection. Another possibility is that he was related to a man named
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Alternatively, given that the record from St
Truiden is not referring to an area near the Meuse, this term is seen as the name of a larger jurisdiction whose definition is no longer known, probably connected to the
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In 885, a senior Count
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In 877, the year of
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and possibly also the Meuse gau. Variants have been argued by
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Mansuaria has been given various explanations, which note that the spelling "Masuarinsis" (without "n") is found in another medieval document, the
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conceded all of
Lotharingia to be once again under the eastern Frankish kingdom ("Germany"). From 884 until his death in 887, the eastern king,
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In 846, the annals mention a Count
Gilbert who abducted an unnamed daughter of Lothar I and his wife Ermengarde of Tours. He took her to
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was made, which ceded much of
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Various proposals have been made about his family connections and exact titles, though most of these are considered uncertain.
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Rösch suggests that Gilbert's wife was named Ermengarde, but there is no conclusive evidence that this is correct.
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created this "middle kingdom" and fought over it, and he is mentioned as playing a role on both sides.
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