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365:"Smells Like Teen Spirit" (covered as "Smells Like Queer Spirit"). During their tour of eastern Canada in 1995, the band took a set of underwear shots in an old hotel, and produced a set of Pansy Division trading cards that were used as promotional materials for the next album. In 1996, the album
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a quartet with the addition of lead guitarist Patrick Goodwin.
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in 1994, becoming the most commercially successful band of the
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840:"Queer Punk Icon Jon Ginoli Talks 30 Years of Pansy Division"
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1855:"Episode 271 – Jon Ginoli (Pansy Division, The Outnumbered)"
1801:"Music and Mayhem with Maddie: an interview with Jon Ginoli"
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1998 saw the release of Pansy Division's fifth studio album
1368:"Interview: Pansy Division: a quarter-century of queercore"
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1884:. No Wristbands! We Drink For Free Podcast. Archived from
780:. (in German) Ventil Verlag, 2018. ISBN 978-3-95575-094-7.
261:. Shortly after this, in 1991, Ginoli placed an ad in the
1210:"Pansy Division, Still holding On, and Passing the Torch"
1016:, by Matt Schild, April 11, 2009, accessed July 30, 2016.
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1304:"Pansy Division: Life in a Gay Rock Band, PopMatters"
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Frustrated by the lack of openly gay rock musicians,
1803:. The Collegian, University of Tulsa. Archived from
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1640:"PANSY DIVISION JOURNEYS TO 16 LOVERS LANE"
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1000:, by Joshua Alston,
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