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the whole article he sourced and no where was mentioned that sale of steel mill was to a friend of
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Kashmiri militants (who has turned their attention to jihad against Pakistan). Karachi is being targeted because of its importance to economy of Pakistan and destabilizing Karachi means destabilizing Pakistan. But this section has nothing to do with riots of Karachi.
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reliable way to state a certain country's newspapers are more valid than another's on an international forum like this. And with all due respect--I'm not sure if I'm answering your objection because I can't really understand your
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05:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Wasn't the chief justice visit planned from before? and later the MQM decided to take out a rally on the same day. Not blaming anyone but just saying that why does everyone have to act like a child, show-up each other and establish their superiority at any cost. Our City. Oh
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According to newspaper interviews with the people rioting, religious strife had a lot to do with the contentions between the 'terrorist' groups you discussed. The purpose of this section is not to attribute blame to a specific religion or secular government, but to place perspective on the rash of
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Peshawar bombing is related to Karachi riots? Please leave the shadow of insanity. Most sources are now confirming that Peshawaw bombing was a terrorist attack with to relationship with riots between secular political parties. BTW, you are bent upon
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Word "Riot" plays down the severity of the incident. That was CARNAGE. Question is not whether all party had weapons, of course politicians were traveling with bodyguards. The fact that MQM did it systematically, and all victims were from opposition, puts a huge question mark on the use of word
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Karachi has nothing to do with this page. Karachi has been prone to ethnical riots but after 9/11, it has been
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The start of the article is too abrupt. A small history should be put in first, then the causalities should be listed under it's own heading. I strongly advise using the article on VT Massacre as a guide for writing this article.
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the article appropriately cited my contributions when i saw it. not a problem. i think someone wanted to merge it into this one, which i am fine with. however, i had to clean it up as much of the article was unsourced and biased.
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thanks for the suggestions. as the event evolves and more history surfaces from unbiased sources, i will join everyone here in reflecting the reports of the most unbiased news media sources i come across.
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