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than we'd like, use them as complex examples (with explanations of the complexity) in the body, and recycle some of the simplest ones in the lead (or add some new, similar ones). We don't need to actually lose anything. And it will actually be helpful to retain (with more material) the complex ones, as an illustration of how assimilation can interface with other linguistic processes.
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