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clearly allows me to use those references. However, you will likely interpret it differently due to our significant differences. You want to maintain the status quo, and I want to provide an alternative perspective. It seems we will not accept each other's interpretations. Therefore, let the admins
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what if " They claim their lineage to Ahmad al-Muhajir who was born in 873 (260H), who emigrated from Basra to
Hadhramaut in 931 (320H) to avoid sectarian violence, including the invasion of the Qaramite forces into the Abbasid Caliphate.The claim remains controversial, and to date, there is no
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Actually, not just one, but two people from
Indonesia. Both of them have been validated by the Indonesian Ba Alawi genealogy recording institution (Rabithoh Alawiyah). In fact, Y-DNA can indeed be used to trace lineage back to what science considers " Adam." And in an open meeting of Rabithoh
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It wasn't me who added the paid website, it was
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I am not sure that I'd say: I have a far deeper knowledge. I included a note in my profile of one of my DNA kits sharing that I have a DNA linke with
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the controversial statement is not notable enough for it to be in the first introductory paragraph of the lede section. I have made compromises and allowed it to be in the lede section but not in the first paragraph where it shouldn't be there anyways.
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Would be nice if you stopped creating new topics in the talk section for the exact same arguments. Plus JWB has stated this on your talkpage: "I prefer not to get involved in the dispute about content of the article" so please stop pinging him
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Alawiyah, an official speaker from them acknowledged that the majority of them are G, with J as a minority. Between haplogroups G and J, it is clear that they do not share the same male ancestor (TMRCA) in the last 1500 years.
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allows you to add your unreliable sources. If you want the admins at the noticeboard decide on this dispute, then please stop editing the stuff that was part of the edit war and don't add new stuff to the article before
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I disagree because the first paragraph already includes the claim of descent from
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This issue has been brought to the noticeboard, I will remove it when an admin raises concerns about the wording and references. Let's wait for another admin to respond soon. Thank you.
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the debate was due to your original research and not "the use of Y-DNA testing in tracing distant patrilineal ancestry". There is absolutely no reason for pinging all these people...
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Oh nice. Im pretty sure that yk that only one dna sample from a random indonesian person who claimed to be a part of this arab family isn't enough to disprove their lineage right?
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