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decepticons had existed for millions of years how did the maximals and predacons come to be 2.when megatron 2 took over cybertron in beast machines wouldn't there be survivors on earth (after all humans and autobots worked together in G1 cartoon 3. how did the predacons gain a foot hold on cybertron (the decepticons were never able to permanently return to cyberton has seen in G1 Cartoon) 4. when exactly did the 2nd golden age of cybertron end, after all it seemed it would last for ever other key issues include the time in the future that beast machines happens in (why the EDC was not involved or why many of the aliens in the G1 Cartoon do not appear any more). I almost fogot: 5. Cybertron was always described to be an artificial planet created by the quintessons, since when was it organic 6. where is unicrons head (it's never seen in the background of cybertron) Again-pls respond
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Optimus' absence, Dinobot apologizing for not having followed his commands initially. Regardless, Rhinox is not second-in-command. I'm reverting the recent edit where someone is saying otherwise because they're wrong. Rhinox is not in command in "Coming of the Fuzors", he's off "chasing comets with his mind" playing no role in any of the proceedings except getting
Optimus back. Rattrap is the only one doing any commanding, issuing all the orders. In "Aftermath", Rhinox does issue a "command" when he's just heard of what happened to Optimus and yes Rattrap did follow it. However, it was also just something that made sense and Rattrap's certainly not a stickler for everyone showing him his due respect. However, yes, "Aftermath" is an episode that implies Rhinox is second-in-command while "Chain of Command" and "Coming of the Fuzors" both imply Rattrap is. There's discrepencies and obviously not enough fact to make a factual claim on Knowledge.
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lot of this stuff is your opinion. "In such and such it appears as if Rhinox is command." "In that episode, it doesn't seem like
Rattrap is in a position of command." etc. etc. It doesn't matter how things look to you. The show never called Rhinox second-in-command, end of story. While I disagree with your interpretation of a lot of the examples you cited (for example I think "Coming of the Fuzors" clearly suggests Rattrap, not Rhinox is in charge, while "Aftermath" suggests the opposite) none of that matters. What the show says, not what certain people have inferred, is what matters.
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personal opinions and viewpoints on things aside, and realize certain things are facts and certain things are not. If you want to start your own opinion-based website wherein you write a long essay explaining why you think Rhinox is second-in-command, go nuts. The fact of the matter is, the show certainly didn't make it inarguably clear that almost anything you're saying and suggesting be put in this article is true. Until this sinks in, it doesn't seem likely (at this point) that I will stop adding to this, regardless of your preference. --
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they both sort of cancel each other out. Again, while I think the show implies that
Rattrap is second-in-command, I perfectly understand your thinking it's Rhinox. If this was a debate about whether second-in-command was Rattrap or... Cheetor or Tigatron or something, I'd think you were foolish, but definitely not in this scenario. There is much to suggest that Rhinox *is* second-in-command, but that's all it is... things that suggest it. It's not unquestionable fact. To be placed on Knowledge, I believe it has to be unquestionable fact.
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inferior rankwise in the show. There are reasons to suspect the second-in-command is
Rattrap and there are reasons to suspect the second-in-command is Rhinox. I consider Rattrap second-in-command but I'm not of the opinion that Knowledge should reflect as such because it's been up for debate for a long time. Hell, Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward's official Beast Wars story bible refers to Rattrap as second-in-command and I'm
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Rattrap's the second-in-command. In "Chain of
Command" Optimus put Rattrap in charge. In "Aftermath" and "The Coming of the Fuzors" Rattrap was also in charge even saying to himself at one point "Optimus, how did you do it?" Rhinox, despite not taking any crap from Dinobot who was using this opportunity to appoint himself leader, never truly took command.
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official, but non-show, sources that refer to both
Rattrap and Rhinox as second-in-command. Referring to either as second-in-command is thus not fully accurate and can not be depicted on Knowledge. The most we can reasonably say about Maximal rank is perhaps that Rattrap and Rhinox are both lieutenants or subcommanders to Optimus.
1612:, now youâre just endlessly repeating yourself. So now Iâm asking if any one else would like to add something, not you, someone else. The fact is that there is evidence in the show and Rhinox bio says he is second in command, it is reasonable to put that in his article, with a note saying that in âChain of Commandâ and in
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specs, after
Optimus Primal's rank of 10, Cheetor and Dinobot had ranks of 6s and Rattrap had 5s, but with the revised numbers from the 10th Anniversary toys Rhinox was upgraded to rank 8, making him the second highest ranking Maximal online in the revised story. The Timelines Rhinox toy ALSO had an 8 rank.
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Any suggestions on what to do about the gross length of this article? (That's gross as in 'volume', not gross as in 'ew, sticky.') I spent some time yesterday on this article, it took a frazackin' long time, and the editor after me (today) even noted their spell-checker gagged on it. I'm thinking the
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episode of the G1 cartoon, but a great many comics were written by the same man who wrote the tech specs for the toys. AND, some concepts in the Beast Wars cartoon came from the G1 comic. Why would you sideline comics now, when in the past they have proven to be in integral part of
Transformers lore?
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Uh, no? You sound like some guy who really liked Aqua Teen Hunger Force that I used to know. Said comics are (or at the least *were*) considered full-on canon in the main TF universe. They may not be *now* because 3H, the producers of the old Botcon convention and comics, no longer have the liscense,
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Iâm sorry you think it is an out-and-out lie but your opinion there is irrelevant and untrue. Rhinox is second in command, his official bio and tech says so, deal with it. The article can be writen to say he was never expressly labeled as second in command but it never said he was - just that was the
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Some references that need to be added: The episode 'Master
Blaster' was named after the movie 'Mad Max 3: Beyond the Thunderdome' in which there was a character named Master Blaster. He was made up of two characters: a stupid giant named 'Blaster' and and intelligent dwarf who rode on his shoulders
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The show was originally going to feature a much larger cast of characters, but limitations on CGI at the time meant that the animators had to shorten the cast to five members on both sides, adding new characters sparingly. Bob Forward has credited this as being part of the reason why the show was so
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First: The qoute: "Optimus, how did you do it?" is a referance how Optimus dealt with Cheetor, not command. Second Rhinox is ALREADY OFFLINE at that point, which means he cannot be giving orders, which leaves the three Maximals on their own. Thank you for the Seibertron information, I'll try to look
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You brought up the toy calling Rhinox second-in-command. Okay, and the official show bible written by Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward calls Rattrap second-in-command. While I would be more likely to go with the one written by Forward and DiTillio rather than one written by some guy at Hasbro, I think
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What happened in Beast Machines is irrelevant, because much characterization was wrong there, (although Rattrap's diminished position within the group can easilly be explained with his initial inability to transform, his comparative lack of power and his treachery in "The Weak Component.") Anyway, a
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Rhinox says he wants no command position either in "Dark Designs." While it's very nice that you think Rattrap being put in charge was done for humor, that's an opinion, not a fact, and thus is irrelevant. Besides at the end of the episode they established that Rattrap did a good job as commander in
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Oh, please. If we're going to argue about what toyline characters 'really' should've been included in the artoon, we could be here for a stellar cycle. Skyshadow? Magnaboss? Tripredacus on Earth? Tigerhawk being around for more than three eps? The Ark actually taking off as planned and battling the
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Please site sources that state the TV show is more canon that the comics. Where are you getting this anti-comic book sentiment? The comics mentioned in the article are embedded in the Beast Wars timeline, and thus relevant. If you'll recall, not only was the first G1 comic released before the first
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I don't really care if you like Aqua Teen Hunger Force or not, its not relevent to this article as you should well know. But this article is about the TV show "Beast Wars". Comic books about the show can be mentioned here but Botcom comics and the like really ought to have their own page. As far as
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I don't understand why you have such trouble comprehending that all that matters is what is flat-out stated or made unquestionably clear as Knowledge is a place for fact and not opinions. Knowledge only works if the only think it states are facts and it hinges on the hope that people will put their
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As for that being what Rattrap meant, to put it quite bluntly... says you. I don't agree and the show certainly didn't make it clear. Of course the show also didn't make it absolutely clear that my interpretation is right, either, and thus I'm not expecting Rattrap to be listed as second-in-command
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Rattrap is put in command during the episode âChain of Commandâ but during the âComing of Fuzors âPart 1-2â Rhinox is definitely in command, talking down to Dinobot and giving Rattrap and Cheetor orders. I think putting Rattrap in command during âChain of Commandâ was done for humor and because the
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Cheetor is made second in command without any fuss from Rattrap. The Maximals clearly remember Optimus being their "fearless leader" yet not one of them turns to Rattrap expecting him to issue an order whether Optimus is around or not. Cheetor even comments on how Optimus would have trusted Rhinox
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The "official" things I could point to are 1. 10th Anniversary Rhinox's tech spec says he's second in command. 2. In the final episode Optimus Primal radios Rhinox and tells him to start operation eternity, which Rattrap hasn't even heard of, and Rhinox orders them all around. 3. Going by the tech
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Some other references made were the following: "Nobody calls me chicken!" by Rattrap, referring to Marty McFly from the Back to the Future movies, "Persistance is futile" in a Season 3 episode by an unknown character referring to the "Resistance is futile" catchphrase used by Star Trek's Borg, and
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toy tech spec cards containing pictures of the Transformers taking on giant-sized forms in the present era (similar to the original 1980s cartoon). However, Forward and DiTillio knew next to nothing about the original series. Since they were given free rein to promote what was at the time a dying
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I just watched Beast Wars and Beast Machines this week, and I am confused about something: Megatron took the original megatron's spark from The Ark, and never returned it! Or did he? If he did, I didn't notice. Is this a continuity error that the producers of the shows never covered? Is this
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I agree with making a section about it, but I think it really only makes sense to include Rattrap and Rhinox. Some of the characters on that list didn't even appear in the series, and I don't think there's really anyone who's under the impression that Dinobot or Cheetor were the second-in-command
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The episodes of "Coming of the Fuzors" (one of the few episodes that do shed any light on this), implies Rattrap, not Rhinox, is second-in-command. In a brief moment of peace before the battle, Rattrap wonders to himself "Optimus, how did you do it?" Clearly indicating that Rattrap is the current
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The article really should be Beast Wars: Transformers. Even if the toyline may have put Transformers first, the cartoon series certainly didn't. I've uploaded a screen shot of the title logo for the article. Clearly, the show was called "Beast Wars: Transformers". The article name should reflect
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naming of the Predacon ship is with established fan lore. His choice to swap US to Canada is based on the production company being located in Canada, though it may be best to display it as US/Canada given its distribution and relationship to various American companies. Also, I put in information
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Not sure what you're talking about when you claim nothing I said was relevant. And yes, I was forced to repeat myself because there are aspects of my argument you continously ignore, likely because they don't serve your point. Also, I wasn't really looking for your permission to respond and will
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One last thing, I think it's probably more likely that the chain of command within the group is fluid. You're right, Dinobot did lead the mission in "Maximal No More" because it was in Predacon ground and he knew it best. The Maximals of Beast Wars don't really seem to be sticklers for chains of
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The show doesn't explicitly call either of them the second in command, I think that's all there is to it. I don't thnk anything with the toys are canon in the series. After all, the show doesn't include like... three/fourths of the Beast Wars toy characters. Plus, Rattrap clearly isn't Cheetor's
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But at any rate, regardless of the fact that I think it's pretty clear Rattrap was the true second-in-command, the fact that this is such a point of contention proves there's no right or wrong, and thus Knowledge shouldn't be referring to either of them as the definitive second-in-command. Maybe
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Okay.... we have to settle this once and for all. There are obviously reasons to believe that either of these two are Optimus' second-in-command but we can't keep going back and forth like this. Regardless of Rhinox being the more trusted advisor to Optimus, the show itself has made fairly clear
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As someone already said, the official bio and tech says Rhinox is in second in command. In "Aftermath" and "The Coming of the Fuzor" Rhinox is definitely in command during the Predacon attack on the Maximal Base. Later Rhinox decides (not on Rattrapâs orders but on his own command authority) to
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in that episode "chain of command" the maximal VOTE a new leader and are all equal(also the ex decepticon Dinobot gains a vote) so there isnot a second-in-command.in some episode the other robots follow that one with more experience/knowledge in something of particular and this is often Rhinox
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This is my theory: Beast Wars was originally going to be connected to G1 Cartoon but it's obvious to me that it's not. Here are some of my ideas (note: part of this theory also includes Beast Machines) Oh-pls respond: 1.if the autobots and
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An anonymous contributor placed in a section called "season 3 controversy." The piece is mostly opinion, and lacks facts, simply stating that "many feel" a certain way and that an even causes "controversy." It should either be expanded upon, with counter points and explanations of why certain
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What was so humorous about Rattrap being commander in "Chain of Command"? Nothing about it was played for punchlines. Dinobot solemnly and earnestly admitted he was dishonored by not following Rattrap's commands and Optimus, in all seriousness, told Rattrap he did a good job commanding in his
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Finally, say it with me now, ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT. This isn't a debate on who we think seems the most like second-in-command, this is a debate about who the show flat-out says to be second-in-command. Which is no one. All we have to go on are our hunches and two conflicting reports from
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clearly the writers did not consider him to be next in rank after Optimus and hoped fans would ignore "Chain of Command". Besides, the articles arenât limited to the TV Show, we have comics and voice shows and everything listed in there, surely the official Hasbro bios pull some weight here,
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Fans came up with the name Dark Side for the ship is based on one line in the show where Terrorsaur says "Welcome to the dark side!" when he greets Cheetor to the ship. It was later used in the video game and in the DVD insert as the name of the Predacon ship, which makes it more official.
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reluctant to support the idea that we refer to Rattrap as second-in-command 'cause it wasn't said in show and all the reasons that support Rhinox as well. Knowledge is supposed to only give facts and the facts show that no one's ever been called Optimus' second-in-command on Beast Wars.
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The official line is that BW and BM exist in a universe that merges elements of both the G1 cartoon and the Marvel comics, even though it seems to draw more on the cartoon (a history thing on one of the recent DVDs mentions the Liege Maximo). But you bring you some good points.
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What is cannon when discussing Transformers? It's certainly not as strict as Star Wars (for example). I have never heard any Hasbro/Takara representative say that the TV shows have presedence over comics or vice-versa. For the article, I say leave that choice up to the reader.
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during "Cutting Edge" Rhinox is clearly in charge over Rattrap. Finally in "The Nemesis" while Optimus is fight Megatron in Decepticon ship Rhinox is leading the Maximal evacuation and even pilots the Autobot shuttle after the Dinobot Clone sends the Maximals the information.
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Wow. Much of that is blatantly untrue. Unless you're able to point out how Rhinox appeared to be second-in-command in, say, "Go With the Flow" with his single line of "Oh no." The fact is only a handful of episodes could possibly be construed as offering us any information
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No, they cannot be considered canon in the usually sense. Canon is the TV shows, the comic books, no matter who they're published by are not canon but Expanded Universe. It's not as bad as a ripoff/parallel universe" thing but still not the same as being in the TV shows.
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retrieve Optimusâ spark. Rattrap does not appear to be in charge even after, Dinobot and Cheetor and Rattrap are shown working together, not taking orders from any one of them. Both "Aftermath" and "The Coming of the Fuzors" heavily imply Rhinox as second in command.
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I just watched 13.Dark Designs, and there is a scene where Optimus Primal waves a couple of swords around and Megatron just shoots him. That reminded me of a scene in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'. Feel free to add it into the main article if you agree. Cheers. :)
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command like the Predacons are. That's why I think the more logical scenario is that Rattrap and Rhinox both sort of function as subcommanders to Optimus, and the various other Maximals are all of relatively similar (but fluctuating) rank underneath them.--
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but epguides, the Transformers wiki and IMDb all list it as May 7th, 1999, which, albeit anecdotally, is when I remember watching it. This extends to other episodes, not just "Nemesis, Part 2". What source are these air dates being attributed to?
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In my opinion, he only handicap of this cartoon could be the lack of Air Hammer (the hammerhead shark/eagle Maximal Fuzor). He could have form a sarcastic "comic duo" with Rattrap, or could have been Silverbolt's comic counterpart. Egr, 6/7/2006
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2. Possibly Cybertron had withdrawn contact from earth by this tme for reasons unknown (possibly if the Cons were defeated then they wouldn't see any need to endanger the humans any further). Certainly humans are never mentoned in BM.
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Initially Waspinator was to die at the beginning of season two but because people enjoyed Waspinator as comic relief, the creators decided to kill off Terrorsaur instead. Waspinator went on to become the only Predacon to survive both
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Feel free to discuss my reccomendations. I will help clean up. However, I will be unable to do much in regards to the Storyline as I do not recall much of the series and don't have enough free time to make all changes myself.
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The series is important in that it wraps up many of the loose ends that the show did not address â most importantly, what happened to the various protoforms that the Maximals jettisoned. Also the presence of both
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Even in "Maximal No More" Dinobot is given his first command and who is taking his orders alone with Silverbolt? Thatâs right, Rattrap! Hardly what the second in command of the Maximals would be expected to do.
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this article in concerned "canon" can be considered as to what appeared in the TV shows themselves. For the rest I agree with Crockalley: the readers can decided for themselves. (and your spelling is screwy)--
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are lieutenants in different areas? Optimus tends to look to Rhinox for advice and seems to trust him with his more private thoughts, but when he's not there Optimus seems to expect Rattrap to be in control.
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I agree with you on the cleanup, and can offer information on the storyline and/or character info. Regarding the article itself, I propose the following changes, some to enhance on what you have suggested:
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successful, because a smaller cast meant he could focus on character development and personality for every character, as opposed to the ungainly task of writing for an entire army's worth of characters.
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What happened to the link the went to the dark glass comic? I tried clicking it but it instead sent me to some random site. What happened? I really wanted to read the dark glass episode and now I can't.
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and IDW is producing new BW material, their status of canon is in question. But it's certainetly *not* because They're Comix, Nut Shoes. And yes that is an intentional shot at your misspelling of Shows.
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This this page concerns all Beast Wars material (comics, TV show, toys), can anyone provide a synopsis of the pack in comic that came out in the first year of the toy line? Maybe a picture from it too?
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It was returned in a deleted scene, which was included on the DVD as an extra. According to the story writers, it was officially returned, off screen, at the end of Beast Wars before they left Earth.
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character section could be moved to a separate article, and very brief identifications of the characters left in its place. Beyond that I dunno. But it's a really REALLY long article and needs help.
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Thank you for that entirely irrelevant commentary there, but the actual debate is whether or not Rhinox should be listed as second in command. Clearly youâve said all you have to say on the subject,
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is also listed in the IDW Transformer Beast Wars Sourcebook (page 194), although they do reference this is not the true name of the ship; it was rechristened after it was hijacked by the Predacons.
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named 'Master'. Together they were called Master Blaster, and apparently the name was chosen because of Quickstrike in his giant metal control suit bearing some resemblance to Master Blaster.
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I noticed some of these air dates for Beast Wars episodes are not what I remember and I wondered where the sourcing was for them. For Example, "Nemesis, Part 2" original air date is listed as
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are not the same as the ones in the original cartoon series. This is confirmed when both Optimus Primal and Megatron come face-to-face with the currently deactivated forms of their ancestors (
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Discuss standards, starting point, and come to agreement on some uniformity among Transformers pages (the most complicated and obvious being a standardized format for a Transformer biography).
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either. The vast majority of your "evidence" is your interpretations of various actions or comments that could just as likely not be what you think they are. Your opinions are not facts.
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The Further Adventures section would be more accessable if it were separated into Seasons 1, 2, and 3. Transmetals would therefore fall into season 2 and Transmetal IIs into season 3.
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6. No idea. Wasn't it blown out of orbit in the episode with Starscream's ghost? In any case Rattrap does mention it once in BM, comparing it to Megatron's floating head fortress.
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Why is there no mention at *all* of it's other title? It seems fairly relevant to me. Especially since series with alternate titles are mentioned usually somewhere in the article.
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Can someone come up with a verification of Gary Chalk playing Megatron from G1? Which season and episode? Perhaps another independent source? I can't seem to find it on IMdB.
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