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mere footnote in his article, but unfortunately it happened close enough to, and is tied to murders that occurred in
Beverly Hills, California. I imagine he never dreamed at the time how much press coverage this would get, including multiple movies and documentaries, but unfortunately it did. The name Manson was legendary growing up, on the same level as the devil (how's that for an album title?). When you needed a go-to evil person (ie: "don't go out there at night or some Charles Manson will get you"), Manson was the number one choice. You can blame Hollywood, but I'm sorry to say that due to the high-profile nature of this particular case, it is never going away. What we are bound to do by our policy is to document the things that make a person notable (the reason they have an article) in proportion to the significance of that information to their notability. It's not about who they are, were, or will become, but what they are known most for. The good news is that Mr. Beausoleil has the ultimate power to affect this himself, in the real world, by continuing to make a name for himself in the music industry.
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documentary film that I have not seen. I don't think we should assume that the content of that film is correct – especially if much of it came from
Beausoleil and Manson. I corrected some aspects of that edit already, for reasons stated in edit summaries. That edit also added several references to the website cielodrive.com. It does not seem clear that the website cielodrive.com is a reliable source (although I have some respect for it). That edit may also have some other problems. I am very tempted to just revert that whole edit, because it has multiple problems and I think it is the responsibility of the person wanting to make changes to do so in a less wholesale fashion and justify what they are doing. The rest of us should not be required to clean up a mess made by someone else. —
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the creative arts both prior to and during incarceration are included. While I understand that some may have animus towards anyone who has been associated with
Charles Manson, this cannot be the guiding principle in accurate and complete reporting. No person is entirely defined by the worst thing that they have done. His occupation for the last 50 years is not best described as prisoner. Beausoleil created during his incarceration, Lucifer Rising, which he is most known for and has gone on to release 9 albums, 4 compilations, and 5 singles. He has been creating art since the 80s with a gallery show in 2005 in California (at Clair Obscura) which is referenced on his page and one in 2015 at the Contemporary Art Tasmania in Australia
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authority you speak to me like that, but this is the page to discuss the link and it will be discussed here whether you accept it or not. That said I see your point 11 and by extension this boils down to whether COL SCOTT on that page is a recognizable authority or not. I will ask several authorities for their opinion and should they agree, then that is that.
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Resolving the most egregious BLP vios, mostly this is a content dispute which should be resolved though the usual means, ie: talk page discussions, RFCs, mediation, or even arbitration if that's what it takes. But first all parties need to make a serious attempt to work it out on the talk page rather
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Sigh... Feel free to report me wherever you like. I look forward to seeing the response. You are acting in direct and blatant contravention of
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Yes, but the surname is what makes it substantially different. If he had just decided to use "Bob Zimmerman", we would just start the article with "Robert Allen Zimmerman (born May 24, 1941) is an American singer-songwriter ..." instead of "Bob Zimmerman (born Robert Allen Zimmerman on May 24, 1941)
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The paragraph you removed regarding details about the parole hearing was taken directly from the decision portion of the 2019 hearing transcript. This was sourced properly and indexed accordingly. Therefore, you are engaging in vandalism and in violation of the user terms of agreement for Knowledge
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There's balance, and there is WP:UNDUE ... to call this murderer an actor based on bit/brief appearances in what are basically films or shorts documenting the scene - meh. I wouldn't call him an actor. Vanity press issues of one's own unmemorable 'music' didn't make him a professional musician. He's
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I will say, for the record, in response to all the appeals to emotion, that I am glad Mr. Beausoleil has reformed and wish him great luck in his career. We're not here to try and punish or smear anyone --that's what BLP is all about. If this crime had happened in Somewhere, Minnesota, it would be a
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Those comments quoted by Mnpie1789 were from much earlier in the conversation. Mnpie1789, please stop edit warring over the characterization in the opening sentence. It is clear that you are continuing to oppose the consensus over both the characterization of Beausoleil in the opening sentence and
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Again, the name of this page is BOBBY BEAUSOLEIL, the name that he has gone by his entire life since infancy, both personally and professionally. This should not be a matter of debate if you take into consideration that everyone who knows him or is familiar with his history knows him by this name.
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It is clear to everyone that you have enmity towards Beausoleil on the basis of him having been an associate of Charles Manson and who committed a brutal murder. That is understandable and you are entitled to feel that way. However, your remarks reflect a blatant prejudice. Responsible editors on
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It is not spam because you merely state so. I see the page histories but I merely see you reverted every time without discussion. I find no discussion anywhere. I therefore will have one here. If the discussion here concludes the link valid, then your reversion will be I am not sure by what
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plausible versions and document the reliable sources where these versions of the facts came from. We should not necessarily believe what Beausoleil (and perhaps Manson) said a decade or more after the murder. There is a lot in that edit by Griffdawg567. Much of it seems to be sourced to a recent
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motivation that borders on the level of fandom (keep in mind "fan" is short for "fanatic", meaning someone who is intrinsically and irrationally biased toward...), with a righteous, no holds barred, "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" approach. Definitely suggests someone on a mission. Not to
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There is no dispute that Beasoleil murdered a man, and that it was indeed a savage crime. He himself has admitted this on numerous occasions over a long period of time, but for more people than you would be willing to admit exist, Beausoleil is also a respected musician and artist with a modest
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At the bottom of the article, there is an external link to the "Home page of Bobby and Barbara Beausoleil". What is that? Did he marry in prison??? (if so, the Knowledge entry makes no mention of this). Am I to believe that that is a photo of the Manson Family's Bobby Beausoleil??? What is
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I have reviewed the link. It is to the Official Tate LaBianca Blog. This is a blog that over the last two years has become the primary research site for the TLB case. It has primary research and many articles. There is no question in my mind that it is a valid link and should be reinstated.
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I wonder if it would be OK to include in the opening statement that Bobby is a music artist. He has collaborations with lady Gaga and several music albums that are on apple music, spotify etc. Other convicts also have information about their creative careers, such as Danny Masterson. Thoughts?
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As we have discussed, his notability is nothing to do with his activities as a "musician and multi-disciplined artist". His notability - the only reason he has an article - is because he is a convicted murderer. That is not mentioned in your opening sentence, but needs to be the focus of the
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I don't know that actor is really accurate in terms of the primary, initial description of him - he didn't really act in much - there's not much to the "Acting Career" section. Also, the article states he was a member of The Grass Roots/Love and that's the primiary focus of the "Music Career"
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I have no problem at all over removing the official legal documents, and indeed thanked Mnpie1789 for those edits. The issue is simply over the right balance in the opening paragraph, and the failure of Mnpie1789 so far to accept a wording that recognises that Beausoleil's notability (per
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By the way, most of the information about Beausoleil’s work in the creative arts was added to the page by other contributors before this editor began contributing to it. Clearly, your opinion does not make a consensus. In any case what is important there is not consensus but accuracy and
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this page are creating a balanced presentation of the information. There has been no attempt to minimize the crime or to whitewash the subject in any way, but only to include other aspects of his life that are in fact valid and of interest, despite your evident prejudice against him.
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The edit-warring over the opening paragraph - seeking to describe him primarily as a musician, rather than as a murderer, contrary to the evident majority view of editors at all discussions so far - is, unfortunately, continuing. The only solution, it seems to me, is to seek to have
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Do not call other user's edits vandalism unless they actually are vandalism. Because I was following policy and reverted the link to the blog appropriately the edits were not vandalism. If it is found that the edits were wrong then one must not immediately call vandalism, remember
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because that is the title of the article and it is commonplace for "Robert" to be shortened to "Bobby". But that is a minor point. As others have said, there are no reliable sources that describe him primarily as a "musician and multi-disciplined artist" - only his own pages
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it, even if it means not necessarily liking what they get. The opposite of motivation happens upon getting the reward. Hopefully, Mnpie will try to work this out collaboratively rather than combatively or dictatively, which never goes over well around here.
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mention their history suggests an SPA, adding to the suspicion that there may be some COI also at play. (Not sure, just thinking out loud.) The behavior to me seems very much disruptive rather than collaborative, but that's a matter for a different board.
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for example. That's how the manual of style says to do it, and this is concurrent with the Chicago Manual of Style and Reuters Manual of Style, to name a few. It's just more formal and professional that way, and an encyclopedia is a very formal work.
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I read the link. No slight intended but based on what it says, are you saying you are stupid not evil? I don't get it. The authorities would be the people with the top websites on the case, Mark Turner at www.charliemanson.com and Bret at
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That's a pretty strong consensus. Again truth and accuracy trumps prejudice. If someone would like to start a new page called Robert Beausoleil, they are free to do so, but efforts will be sustained to preserve the integrity of this page.
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The title and subject of this page is Bobby Beausoleil therefore given name is noted secondarily (see Bob Dylan's wiki page). Also, I changed American murderer to American man due to BarrelProof and Ghmyrtle comments below from February.
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The difference is that Bob Dylan officially changed his name in 1962. That is far different than having your name shortened into a nickname, unless he officially changed it to "Bobby". Why is this so important to you anyhow? Look at
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