2722:. The link between Budweiser and Budweiser Gardens is tenuous at best: the venue is owned by Larimer County and managed by Global Spectrum. I canât even find any evidence that Budweiser has anything to do with the running of the venue at all. It seems that all they do is pay a fee to have their name over the door. There is no evidence they have any control over which acts appear at the venue. There doesnât seem to be any evidence that Budweiser even knew that Cosby would be appearing at the venue or that they could do anything to stop him appearing even if they did know. Thereâs certainly no evidence that Budweiser approved the act. The connection between the venue and Budweiser is so tenuous that the venue isnât even mentioned in this article. As far as I can tell all we have is that Budweiser paid to have their name put over the door of a venue, and a celebrity who has been accused of a crime appeared at that venue several years later? Is that an accurate summary of what can be establised with reliable soucres? Unless we can show that Budweiser was aware that Cosby was appearing at the venue and had some sort of control of the venue that might have enabled them to prevent that, then there is simply no connection between Budweiser and Cosby. At this stage there is no evidence that anybody working for Budweiser even knows who Bill Cosby is. In summary, my opinion is that this material doesnât belong here until we get some reliable sources to indicate that someone at Budweiser was aware that Cosby was appearing and approved that appearance. FWIW, I also do not work for Budweiser. I have never even drunk Budweiser. Having lived most of my life in a different hemisphere (both ways) I donât think I have ever even seen a Budweiser.
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I accuse the decision makers of corruption. You can discus all you want about it as long as you want. But to decide to give a disputed name, reason of many lawsuits in many countries, direct access to one companies trade mark just stinks of corruption. If you show me a similar other occurrence in
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Michelob is a 5% ABV pale lager developed by Adolphus Busch in 1896 as a "draught beer for connoisseurs". In 1961, Anheuser-Busch produced a pasteurized version of Michelob which allowed legal shipment of the beer across state lines. Bottled beer began to be shipped soon after, and the brand was
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I do not, and never have, worked for Budweiser or anyone affiliated with Budweiser. Please shove the unfounded accusation somewhere dark. Numerous performers and entertainment, yes...so why focus on Cosby? To make Bud look bad or to get more eyes on the Cosby fiasco by adding it to tangentially
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The move by CĂșchullain was based on an assumption that most readers who type "Budweiser" are looking for an American beer. That assumption distorts some of the facts that we have. The European product gets about 20% of the amount of the monthly hits that the American product gets. Obviously the
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The current article goes into some depth about the Budweiser bottle, but almost entirely ignores other types of packaging. I was planning on adding information specifically related to Budweiser can packaging. Much of this information will be tailored to look at the latest can design change that
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Why is Knowledge taking a side in a trade dispute? Why is Knowledge promoting a trademark and what is more a disputed trademark? Has Anheuser-Busch made a big contribution to Knowledge? Has Anheuser-Busch been threatening Knowledge? Has Knowledge moved into advertising? What is happening here.
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While I don't doubt that you personally make such an association, that alone doesn't make it notable or verifiable. If you can provide the results of a survey making such an association, or you can show multiple non-opinion newspaper articles that make such a claim, then w have something.
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in fall 2014 was hotly contested, and the result was taken to Move Review. The current name is the result of that discussion. Unclear whether it is worth the turmoil of a new move discussion, when we can anticipate more disagreement and something close to a tie vote again.
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I remember a few years ago is 80% rice , why 30% now ? Anheuser Busch was one of them. They survived by converting to cereal beer made from non-fermentable grains like rice. Anheuser still makes its Budweiser from 80% rice, unlike the traditional all-malted barley beer.
2574:. It is marketing. At this venue, they host numerous performers and entertainment, all with the idea of the principle of association -- to link, in peoples' minds, the idea of their for-sale beer product with these performers as a way to increase sales; so if the band
1379:, but I cannot find any information beyond this (except for internet hearsay.) Unless this is a credible claim, and someone has a more credible source, I think that comment should be taken out because it adds little to the article and cannot be verified. Thoughts?
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Budweiser Budwar not immediately noticing that they're on the wrong article - note that Budweiser by AB InBev is not very well-known in many European countries and that enwiki isn't only used in English-speaking countries but also by English-speaking people).
3250:, I deleted the section called 'history' because it was a history of Anheuser Busch, not of (US) Budweiser. If somebody is keen, it is worth transcribing into the AB-Inbev article, respecting the authorship of previous editors (I've forgotten the mechanism).--
2280:, you can count me as sixth, i have completely missed this request. I do strongly oppose to such move, as wiki should stay neutral and not to prioritize any sides of the dispute. Unfortunately, i have no experience with "MR". Could you help to arrange this?
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is the proper venue to have it reconsidered; you should speak with the closing admin before going there if you plan to. But the claim about Knowledge taking sides is bogus. If we decided to not move the page because of that, it would be akin to censorship.
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The article is not neutral, Historically "Budweiser" comes from the town of ÄeskĂ© BudÄjovice, the name "Budweiser" should not be used solely as disambiguation for the AnheuserâBusch brewed Beer! The title should be moved from Budweiser -:
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to disguise the drugging. Of course it is possible for Anheuser-Busch to withdraw their name from the site, or forbid the management of the place not to host rapists. It is not some sideline issue when a prominent American filmmaker,
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1912:- While I hate to go against what actually does seem like a fairly clear case of common name, the fairly controversial nature of the topic makes it seem more logical for the Budweiser page to remain a disambiguation page.--
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corn syrup, barley, malt extract, hop extract and yeast. There are two serious differences. First there is the addition of corn syrup and second, according to the label, Budweiser contains neither malt nor hops.
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