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Thanks (I see you have removed it). I have removed it from other en.wikipedia pages, but it is used on many other wikis and there is not a prayer of fixing it on those since in most cases I could not write an edit summary in the relevant language. How would you feel about proposing deletion of the
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Well, there it is from the mouth of the flag's creator himself. The issue is definitively resolved - if it wasn't already. There are multiple edits and reverts adding a flag to this article weekly. Should this article have some kind of protection on it
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Before a while ago my edit was reverted because I gave no citation, rhinebund is Rhine confederation, Konföderation von der rhein or something similar I put, because it literally meant
Confederation of the Rhine I didn’t know how to cite back then
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I think that we should include the "Alleged flag of the Rhine Confederation" for the following reasons:
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