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progreso. Su exterminio es providencial y útil, sublime y grande. Se los debe exterminar sin ni siquiera perdonar al pequeño, que tiene ya el odio instintivo al hombre civilizado” (Sarmiento D. F, 1844). “Quisiéramos apartar de toda cuestión social americana a los salvajes…” “En
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