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examples of some of the method's disadvantages, whereas the plurality article is missing that level of detail about disadvantages. The plurality article appears to have been written by people in the academic world, whereas this FPTP article appears to have been written by election-vote-counting reform folks. The term plurality is used in all academic articles, and those are published worldwide. The term FPTP is only used in
Britain and former British colonies, plus, only recently, the EndFPTP subreddit on Reddit. I'm not so concerned about which name is chosen. But I would like to refer voters to one well-organized and complete article, not two articles with different focuses, each of which is missing very important information. Apparently I need to also raise this issue on the plurality article's talk page.
1336:'First past the post' is an English idiom, taken from racing. It means the person or horse or dog that crosses the finishing line first wins. When used in a political sense, it means that the candidate with the highest number of votes wins, even if he or she has nowhere near an overall majority. For example, Candidate A gets 35% of the vote, Candidate B gets 30%, Candidate C 25%, Candidate D 10%, so Candidate A wins.
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30% when the opposition is hopelessly split. Conversely of course there are 'pin a red/blue rosette on a donkey' constituencies where the winning candidate gets 80%. For FPTP, an overall majority is sufficient but not neccessary. The majority criterion says that it must be necessary as well as sufficient. Thus FPTP fails this criterion. --
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this article (ie a system of winner takes all that have nothing to do with the effects of segmenting the votes into different constituencies). If FPTP is more complicated, and in fact the system that electes the parliament as a whole (with division into constituencies being integral to FPTP), then such a system would not comply with MC.
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comments). Is that the case? How can there be consensus if the wikipedia article is in complete contradiction with its own footnote on this point? If supposedly people think that the wiki article is right on this point why can't someone find a footnote to support the proposition rather than to contradict the proposition?
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system distorts results at government level, but the article is about the voting system, not about the subsequent formation of governments, coalition or otherwise. In the UK, the government is often elected by a minority of voters, but this is a criticism of the constituency system, not of the FPTP voting system.
1079:? This sentence was not part of the introduction. The introduction said "The winning candidate does not necessarily receive an absolute majority of all votes cast.". That's logically something totally different. It is the same difference like reading "Not every running world champion runs 100m in 5s." (
358:. If, in a plurality system, more than 50% of voters support A, then A does in fact always win. Thus plurality obeys the majority criterion. The majority criterion simply doesn't say anything about what happens when a plurality but not a majority support A. I'm going to flag this for independent review.
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You've made several mistakes here. The relevant section in the article clearly sets out the effect of FPTP in a neutral and unbiased way. It's clear that you are peddling a pro Tory agenda here. By using
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This is yet another attempt to encourage you to communicate on the talk page rather than edit warring. You've carried out bulk deletions of properly sourced text without first attempting to seek consensus or improve the text. Therefore, I'm replying here so we can discuss each one. I encourage you to
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Your examples are false equivalence. It is not obvious that there is overwhelming international disapproval (as there was with
Apartheid and Jim Crow laws) not a substantial popular movement for change (as there was for women's suffrage). Right now, the argument still has to be made and that argument
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The behaviour by Friend-Of-the-planet-99 is not appropriate. Editing articles, such as the 2019 General
Election to bizarrely mention that the winning party failed to win 50%+ of the popular vote is not something that is present in any other UK General Election Results wiki page, nor should be as the
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The problem is the idiotic illogical name. Of all voting systems, so called “first past the post” is almost unique in not actually having a post. Most voting systems present some sort of hurdle or target or quota, above which you get elected. Which is a “post”. FPTP has no “post”; you simply need
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In the US, if no candidate gets 50% of the vote, the election is decided by the states and the House of
Representatives, not whoever has the most votes. "First Past The Post" originally meant, you know, passing the post, but confusion over time has changed the definition so that now it means the same
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It is very confusing to me that if we are talking about FPTP being the system that elects the individual MPs (rather than parliament as a whole) that gerrymandering is talked about in such detail. Gerrymandering only effects the broader election of the parliament - not the FPTP system as described in
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they were removed -- but you have neglected to actually bring this to the talk page, so I'll do it for you. A lot of the time you have reverted them with the edit summary that they were "unjustified reversions", even though my edit summaries clearly state what was wrong with each one. Therefore, I'm
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The two methods are the same, so they should not have separate articles. The two articles have very different focuses. The plurality article has the traditional
Tennessee example that is included in all vote-counting method articles, but it's missing from this article. This article has some detailed
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Arguments in favour of First Past The Post are either due to self-interest or naivety. Taking on board the evidence in terms of what countries perform best on a range of measures such as action on climate change, income equality, and the likelihood of going to war, there are no credible arguments to
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Well, no, not really. I am aware that some people in many countries vote for a party regardless of individual members, but this is not how the usual voting system is intended to work. Those of us who vote for individuals are happy that FPTP satisfies MC in our constituency. I agree that the party
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How has this come back in? We agreed many moons ago that FPTP does NOT meet the majority criterion because it is possible for a candidate to be elected with achieving an overall majority. For example, in most UK constituencies, the winning candidate barely scrapes 40% and in a few it is as little as
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In order to ensure transparency, the person at IP address 62.255.9.122 should create a
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would be accepted as an alternative, though it is a lot closer to the reality (well, 'musical chair' since there are no elimination rounds and just one chair). In the UK, it is possible to win with a significant minority of the vote, just so long as each of the other candidates gets an even smaller
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Yes, obviously, in a parliament, one party can be elected to form a government having received fewer votes overall than the losing party, and I think this fact needs to be mentioned in the article. Nevertheless, in each constituency, the first past the post system guarantees (rather trivially) the
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Everyone, the section is currently blatently wrong, as the footnote referenced for this section completely contradicts the wikipedia article. I made an edit to correct it but John Maynard Friedman reverted it because he claims that there is consensus to the contrary (see my talk page for his
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Parliament so gaining a power of blackmail against the Government, a problem which is generally reduced by the FPTP system.". The first citation doesn't seem to substantiate the statement except in the
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I'd like to see citations for the elements of the section. It's well known that the criticisms exist (their validity is open to debate), but without citations the section just isn't credible. Also, as someone decidedly against FPTP, I'm very interested in hearing pro-FPTP reasoning and would like
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Ah, I see - first you claim there are no other accounts that support my edit, and then when I point one out (that you obviously hadn't even bothered to read before), you say you don't accept that because you claim it's a "new account". No doubt if 45StanJames agreed with you, you'd have no problem
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version that is disputed, however. As far as I can see, you're the only editor supporting the "Purported" heading. There was some semblance of a consensus achieved in merging the sections into the below characteristics section, but no effort has been made on your part to actually do this. As we've
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Goodness, this has really gotten out of hand. The problem with your edits is that you haven't attempted to seek consensus, and you've ignored attempts to talk to you about these issues (your talk page blankings for one, or the paragraphs you had to scroll past in order to get to the bottom of this
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The introduction of this article states that FPTP is a plurality voting system: "an electoral system in which each voter is allowed to vote for only one candidate" . Under the "Overview" section, the article goes on to state that FPTP can be used in multiple-member systems, where "each voter casts
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The post comes in as a metaphor for the end of the count. It does not mater how fast you are or how slow but only whether you are in the lead at the end. The district elections are like heats. some heats are slow; others fast. it does not matter about your objective speed or popularity. As long as
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But the unique characteristic of this voting system, unlike almost all others, is that it has no "winning post". There is no "finish line" a candidate has to reach to get elected - in theory it is possible to get elected with 10% of the vote if your ten rivals get 9% each. In practice candidates
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Perhaps this is a clear distinction to a polisci major, but it's awful for everyone else. Worse still, nothing in the article actually clarifies this. No examples, nothing. This article is less a description of what FPTP voting is, and more a discussion of its value as a system of voting, which
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This is mathematically incorrect. For example 9 people vote (5 blue, 4 red). A majority (more than 50%) of voters consider candidate A to be the best choice, then A should win - right? No, if there are 3 seats red could win two (getting two votes in each leaving blue with one in each) and blue win
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As a new reader to this article I'd like to reopen this discussion - I don't fully understand the last few steps in the logic as to why this does not meet the Majority Criterion - I agree with the simple interpretation of MC where it only requires 'A implies B' and I don't see where in the article
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The confusion may be that JMF has overinterpreted the criterion. The criterion only requires that if a majority of voters pick a candidate that candidate must win. It does not require the converse (i.e. that if only a plurality support a candidate, then the candidate must not win). Therefore, FPTP
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Which source? The one from FairVote? Because that doesn't support your claim. It says, "Internationally, proportional representation is the most common type of electoral system with 89 of the 195 countries below using it." "Most common" doesn't mean "Most modern democracies". For it to be "most",
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The problem here is the imbalance between the two sections. If you have a section titled “benefits”, the counterposing section needs to be titled “disadvantages” or “drawbacks”. That is pitting fact against fact, not fact against opinion (which is what “criticisms” are). The problem is that we
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need to stop to reflect. Instead of trying to smear me with your false "soapboxing" allegation, I suggest you adhere to Knowledge's core principles and engage me in rational discourse, citing evidence - don't make it personal. This is also not the first time you've used smear tactics, because you
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By way of further example: if, during the Apartheid era, we had been discussing an encyclopaedia article on South Africa's Apartheid system (which used FPTP), we would quite rightly list the "benefits" of Apartheid as "Purported benefits", or more properly something like "Claims made by Apartheid
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ps it is not about "one party being elected to form a government having received fewer votes overall than the losing party" it is about a party not being elected after achieving, not just more votes than any other, but after achieving more than half the total votes (ie with FPTP you can lose with
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FPTP is made up of the "winner takes all" system (at a constituency level) combined with "PR" at the parliament level (PR of the seats not of votes ie take 57.3% of seats get 57.3% of parliament). By only looking at a constituency level in judging MC we have only checked if the "winner takes all"
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I suggest you look at the article's revision history and you'll see you are in breach of the 3 revert rule. Instead of attacking other editors with your pedantic and highly selective reference to Knowledge's rules, perhaps you should make substantive contributions to the article. If you lack the
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Also, the "votes per seat" count does not apply to "Others" or independents. If 20 independents ran and won 1 seat with a total of 250,000 votes, the votes per seat would be equal to the number of votes for the single winning candidate, not the total for all independents. The main article on the
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The article does not discuss a phenomenon that arises in FPTP voting systems: small parties tend to do better if their support is concentrated in a few constituencies. The UK provides the best example, probably. The Scottish (SNP), Welsh (Plaid Cymru) and the various Northern Ireland parties won
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I believe purported benefits is a fair title as the meaning of the word purported is effectively a statement that appears true that may in fact not be true. Opponents of FPTP will certainly argue that the statements made in favour are always untrue. Let's look at the issue of FPTP being easy to
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You're undoing the heading, but seem to have abandoned the discussion here. I notice you're also blanking any attempt to communicate with you on your talk page. Your heading is clearly contested: if you want to keep it, you have to actually continue to engage in discussion. That's how Knowledge
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Hi, I think I am guilty of not reading the article properly. It clearly states that FPTP is the same as winner takes all. FPTP being the system we use to elect individual MPs and not the Government as a whole (I might be wrong but I think this might be what has caused confussion for a number of
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Generally, the people who make the claims of "benefits" of FPTP do so because this voting system favours their political agenda. For example the UK Conservative Party (which benefits from FPTP) made a 2019 manifesto commitment to retain FPTP in Westminster elections citing specious "benefits",
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OK, I've had an insight. Maybe the problem is the language used? Voting system theory is a branch of game theory which is a branch of mathematics. Voting systems criteria therefore use the formal language of mathematical proofs. If you're not aware of this, then I can see that it might lead to
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Yes, that sounds totally fine. I think just changing the wording to "FPTP is still used in about a third of the world's countries, mostly in the English-speaking world (the United States, the United Kingdom, India, Pakistan, Canada and other countries in the British Commonwealth)" or whatever
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You've made several mistakes here. Firstly, as I said, the Conservatives were never a Remain party, even during the referendum. Secondly, the crux of your article depends on an opinion piece. Opinion pieces aren't considered reliable in this context. You've also tried to justify the change in
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In the new version, the whole information was just erased. In my opinion, the old version was more informative and therefore better. Maybe the old version can be modified in a way that the logical misinterpretation Monolith2 showed us, can be avoided without completely deleting the statement.
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that A should have an overall majority to win. There are many instances, certainly in UK politics, where candidates have won having secured as little as 35% of the valid votes. The majority criterion simply says that a majority must support A for A to win: any system in which A wins without
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Regarding the above claim that FairVote does not support the statement, it states that 89 countries have PR electoral systems and 34 have electoral systems in which PR is partially used (like MMP). The combined 123 countries more than half of the countries in the world, so "most" is correct.
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The disputed title should remain in place until consensus is reached. The evidence on FPTP is clear, as can be seen from the totality of the article and my comments above. All the article's listed "benefits" of FPTP have been thoroughly rebutted. Hence the section should remain as "Purported
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I've changed the titles to "Arguments in favor" and "Arguments against". These avoid verbosity and keep Knowledge neutral on the question of whether or not any of the things mentioned are truly advantages or disadvantages. Whether or not something is good or bad is an opinion, and there is
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FPTP is about the election of the whole parliament not the individual seat - do others agree. Therefore it would be better to say that FPTP fails MC but insert "Although the criterion fails when looking at the results of a parliament as a whole, it is met when looking at each constituency
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This behaviour suggests that Czello is operating an agenda to silence legitimate and properly sourced criticisms of the widely discredited FPTP voting system which benefits the UK Conservative Party. Further evidence of Czello's agenda can be seen from his repeated attempts to edit the
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I read the intro and the first half of the article and still have no idea what FPTP voting is. I mean, even the introduction says that it's both "the person who gets the most votes wins" and simultaneously "the person with a majority of the votes doesn't necessarily win". WTF?
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You've ignored my points clearly there. You've made a claim using one website, and then tried to back up a claim using another even though that second article is, as I said, an opinion piece which isn't reliable. Also, please don't accuse me of have a pro-Tory bias. We need to
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popular vote is irrelevant for UK General Election Results. Rather than properly engage in discussions, Friend-Of-the-planet-99 has instead opted for abusive language/refusal to discuss properly. I fully support Czello involving this admins as this behaviour is unacceptable.
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on Knowledge where he/she has systematically deleted all references to the popular vote in this article. By deleting the popular vote refernces, Czello appears to be editing the article in such a way as to overstate the level of public support for the UK Conservative Party.
2782:"Claimed benefits" I think is a case of POV sneaking in there, the same as Purported. Commendations or approbations would be better, though I wonder if there's a simpler word to use. Perhaps "Advocacy", or "Advocation", or simply "Support"? Something along those lines. —
2110:. And that without counting the insults, the bad-faith assumptions, the persistent disruptive editing, the possible sockpuppetry and so on. If you want to be blocked so badly just ask an administrator to do it for you instead of keeping the disruption ongoing. Cheers.
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I don't understand your distinction because "first past the post" is just another name for "single winner plurality voting". In a two-round "first past the post" system, there is no "predetermined maximum number of votes". I would support a merge, but not strongly.
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Nevertheless, whoever it was who raised the concern about “benefits” had a point - it is not balanced when the other side of the argument is titled “criticisms”. Balanced terms (such as Advantages and Disadvantages) should be used for the article sub headings IMO
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lone case of the article's subject, in which PR is combined with the relative ease of dissolving the government, creating the conditions for the mentioned blackmail; in essence, the dissolution option appears to be the more direct cause rather than the PR itself.
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disagreement over whether some of the arguments are factually correct (though that seems to mostly come down to whether or not you like FPTP). It is not immediately clear to me how the sections could be interwoven, as they generally focus on different issues. --
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people). In which case the article is right, though I still think it has been improved by the clarification that "Although the criterion is met for each constituency vote, it is not met when adding up the total votes for a winning party in a parliament."
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small parties over small issue-based parties with broad support. Since a small party must win a plurality in at least one constituency, issue-based small parties generally only win any seats if there is a constituency where that issue is very important.
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page). I think given your bad faith accusations here, we need to get admin involvement. I was really hoping we could resolve this just by talking about the edits themselves, rather than the editors, but at this juncture I see no other resolution. —
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understand. FPTP critics could certainly argue that this kind of statement is seen as patronising, as it suggests that voters in a FPTP country are less capable than voters in most developed countries, who tend to vote under proportional systems.
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it is neutral, is not a stooge of the Tory Party. I for one am not, I believe FPTP to be a travesty of democracy but I realise equally that button-holing readers with a political polemic is a complete turn-off. Knowledge is the wrong platform for
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By the inclusion of "Although the criterion is met for each constituency vote, it is not met when adding up the total votes for a winning party in a parliament." the article is no longer highly misleading. It is, however, I think still incorrect.
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In the plurality system, it is certainly true that a candidate with more than 50% of the valid poll will win. That is also what your citation says - but no more. But the reason why Plurality fails to pass the majority criterion is that it is not
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Before anybody complains - I've fixed the results given for the 2005 British general election. The results committed the old BBC fault of not realizing that the Speaker is non-partisan, as well as confusing Great Britain with the United Kingdom.
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635:+ 1st seat (red,red,blue); 2nd seat (red,red,blue); 3rd seat (blue,blue,blue). This doesn't need to be sourced wiki is claiming something that is simply wrong, incorrect, does not follow the rules of mathematics - wiki is wrong here - simple.
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I don't have a 'proper Knowledge account'. I work at a school and I've seen a gross inclusion of completely unnecessary information while putting together resources for students, so I am bringing it to light as it is unacceptable behaviour.
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The phrase "is to reduce" sounds like this this is a deliberate, malicious attempt on behalf of those who support FPTP. I changed this to "reduces" to make it more NPOV, but you have reverted it by incorrectly citing grammatical issues. —
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First and most importantly, you must not revert policy-based edits while discussion is in progress (and it is poor practice in any case). I am reinstating the neutral wording until there is a consensus. That means contributions from more
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Although this article already explains some important disadvantages, others need to be added. As an example, FPTP facilitated the blocking tactic that was used to block Hillary Clinton from the 2008 presidential general election.
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article is needed as a separate article because there are so many disadvantages of plurality voting. Those disadvantages can be, and are, exploited to change election outcomes, so it's important to explain (and understand) them.
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First past the post systems have a predetermined maximum number of votes (i.e. the electoral college) whereas a plurality has no preset maximum (i.e. electing a representative from one district). They are substantively different.
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Wow, you really have allowed your political agenda to get the better of you. And so now I see you are going to try and get my Knowledge account deactivated. A classic censorship tactic used by those who know their arguments are
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Regardless of which phrasing we use, I propose we move this out of the lede and into a section elsewhere, possibly one of the criticism subsections. This seems unsuitable for the lede given that this article isn't about PR. —
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Ah yes, a new account whose only contribution is to agree with you in this discussion. I'm afraid that's hardly working in your favour. So, I'll ask you again to stop arguing here and engage in the actual discussion. —
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supports the title "Purported benefits". Instead of making rushed responses in order to bulldoze your opinion, I suggest you slow down and this time read the entire discussion, not just the parts that fit your agenda.
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absolutely. Hence we have all the arguments about "wasted vote": a vote for any but the top two candidates in each constituency is irrelevant so the argument is about the guess as to who are the top two. Crazy system!
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page in wikipedia (the table has not been recently changed) and three external sources all of which explicitly classify plurality as MC compliant. I'm still waiting for any citation which explicitly classify it as non
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I agree entirely with John Maynard Friedman's initial response above. The statements in the relevant paragraph are obviously true, without making any comment about whether or not they are outweighed by the criticisms
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have won with vote shares not much above 25%. When most other systems have some sort of quota or defined number of votes you need to secure to win, calling this system "first past the post" is surely a nonsense?
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seats in the 2015 election because their support was concentrated in regions. UKIP's votes were spread out across the country and UKIP won only a single seat, despite having more overall votes than the SNP.
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proponents". Similar arguments would apply to those who opposed votes for women who listed among the "benefits" of male-only voting "Avoids over-emotional women from voting thus disrupting government" etc.
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After this name change, I and others can improve this important article, which currently is a mess. Especially the introduction. Also this article currently contains lots of overlap with the
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He/she can retain their anonymity by creating an account with a pseudonym, as you and I have. Why are you so keen to welcome this "anonymous" contributor, who just happens to agree with you? --
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I propose we combine the Purported benefits and Criticisms sections into ONE section called "Characteristics" or a continuation of the "Effects" section. Strictly speaking we are supposed to
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referred to one of my earlier edits as a "conspiracy theory" even though the text was fully referenced. Smearing another editor's work because you don't like it is not acceptable on Knowledge.
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This article is also missing significant advantages. For example, FPTP is easy to implement in mechanical voting machines, which is important for some parts of the world that still use them.
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Hi the problem is not thinking that A implies B is the same as not A implies not B it is that in this case A does not imply B. Getting more than half the votes does not imply victory in FPTP.
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The formal language of mathematics provides unambiguous ways of stating either of these. In the first case, we say 'If A, then B'. In the second, we would say 'If and only if A, then B'. See
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All the claimed "benefits" of FPTP listed in the article have been thoroughly rebutted (both in the article and elsewhere). Consequently this section is properly titled "Purported benefits".
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the numerous warnings, and despite noticing the ANI thread, it's almost guaranteed they will end up blocked. This is just untenable and this user is only creating a toxic atmosphere here.
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The word "most" suggests at least 75%. "The majority" would be more NPOV and make the point just as well. Overstatement is counter-productive. --
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that will hopefully make the issue more clear. As I see it, FPTP can sometimes meet majority criterion even when it falls short other times. --
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as per John Maynard Friedman. I've made my case elsewhere in this discussion but I thought I'd clear here for easy of browsing this thread. —
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whatsoever with their comment. Stop acting like a spoilt child trying to get your own way, and try engaging constructively. --
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and balanced. That is what we should strive for.--
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684:Simple as that FPTP fails the majority criterion.
4123:phrasing we use, but move the PR bit elsewhere. —
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2235:Advantages and disadvantages of plurality voting
2229:Please rename this article to something such as
1952:Creating an account is encouraged in Knowledge,
1007:(a standard weaker than absolute majority) with
325:has been hacked, so will go there to correct it.
3108:I propose that the section title be changed to
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2180:I agree to "Advantages" and "Disadvantages" —
2231:Plurality voting advantages and disadvantages
1441:United States and the UK not practicing FPTP?
299:have to have a majority over all other voters
96:Disproportionate influence of smaller parties
4787:There were no citations for this section. —
3563:Representation versus "winners" and "losers"
2487:and it seems to me that you are soap-boxing.
338:Single-winner Voting Method Comparison Chart
4275:Can you address my actual points please? --
3444:if we're going to work together on this. —
61:to see cited evaluations for this as well.
1646:as part of a larger edit. Im removing it.
1405:Plurality Voting vs Multiple-Member System
535:win. But if A does not get most votes, he
1759:2019 UK general election campaign article
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3873:That's not my job, it's yours (as per
2740:"Democracy: we've never had it so bad"
2029:The issue has been already brought to
837:50%+ of the vote therefore MC fails).
3736:modern democracies work in this way.
2480:is not helped by tendentious framing,
1567:it used the pejorative term "claimed"
1220:Is this some sort of UK phenomenon?
908:So this merge template to merge with
4562:You do know what that is, don't you?
1482:to get more votes than anyone else.
4052:be true. :-) Ok, point conceded. --
2574:violation for this same section so
1971:you viciously attacked him for that
1389:Added explanation to the intro. --
1184:That's a huge improvement, thanks!
1124:{\displaystyle B\not \Rightarrow A}
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1268:Canadian federal election, 2015
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