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fantasy, just that it was engaging. I was a voracious reader in my younger days. I gobble up almost any kind of book I could get my hands on. Science fiction was my daily diet - lol. 'Glory Road' was a truly sweet morsel. I can certainly appreciate the scientific and fantasy aspects now, however. I did connect with Oscar's ability to always be able to 'feel' in what direction he was headed. I think that's a real ability some people have.
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I was in high school when I read 'Glory Road' and fell completely in love with Star - lol. I really dug Oscar, too. I was in a small town and I was yearning for some kind of adventure and this book fulfilled that yearning, at least mentally, at the time. I didn't care if it was science fiction or
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The book involves unvolding a special box into a much larger (and non-empty) object. While this does seem to go along with the Banach-Tarski paradox, there is nothing in the book to suggest that this is what the author had in mind. It might be the case, but it is simply not made clear. -swelke
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I just read this book, and I think it's inaccurate to call it "pure fantasy." While there are plenty of fantasy elements, it's more of a science fiction spin on fantasy. The book opens on (then) contemporary Earth, and the denouement takes place mostly on the super-scientifically advanced
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of the miraculous technology is shown), and never becomes the focus of the story, which to me are both defining elements of hard science fiction. Admittedly, the 'magic' used in the book has a bit more of a technical air to it than most fantasy novels, but it remains magic- unexplained and
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Don't forget the Viet Nam war was already quite active and ongoing in 1963, having started in 1955. The US wasn't involved except with "advisors", which you may recall is what Oscar says he was. According to (ahem)
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administrative hub of twenty universes. I'd hazard to classify it as "science fiction," but unless my understanding of the genre is faulty, I don't see how Glory Road can be called "pure" fantasy.
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Several of the plot elements, such as the folding box mentioned above, are quite possibly explicable by real-world scientific principles, again as delineated above: however, the technology is never
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It's pretty clear that the fight with Cyrano *is* the fight with the Never-Born. One could probably get a term paper out of how Oscar beating Cyrano has deep psychological meaning. --
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I've replaced the ugly paperback cover with that of Part One of the magazine serial. However, a low resolution image of the first edition can be found as GloryRoad_1st_ed.jpg.
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Surely the listing of the Gregg Press edition is wrong wrong wrong. The first edition was Putnam's, the leading publisher of Heinlein's adult fiction from this period.
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that is much larger unfolded than folded, is some sort of four-dimensional object. I always took it to be a reference to the
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I agree with you, and so did Heinlein. In 1973, he made this comment to J. Neil Schulman: "You've read
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science fiction? It is and always has been soft. Nothing Heinlein ever wrote really qualifies as hard.
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The Korean War is clearly not the war mentioned, since Korea is not in Southeast Asia.--
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I went to college in Annapolis in the 1960's, and started learning to fence... at
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If anybody else feels it's appropriate to put that link there, do so, but I won't.
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but I feel it would be dishonest for me to link to it because it's on my site.
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miraculous. Is the designation truly appropriate in this case? -
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in accordance with real-world scientific principles (only the
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If the author never says Vietnam, should the article say it?
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Yeah, it's fantasy only because it's got magic—in the
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Probably not, since the book was published in 1963!
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