Talk:Honoré de Balzac

1134:...is getting ridiculous. Not a day goes by without someone adding yet another entry; I can't think of any other major cultural figure whose article has a similar section. In particular, there are numerous entries which aren't really references to Balzac at all, just weak puns on the supposed similarity between his name and the phrase "ball sac": perhaps these could be reduced to one more concise entry, if not excised altogether. I am so uptight that I can't even spell "ballsack" the right way. No amount of lubricant could facilitate removal of the enormous stick up my ass for the suction is too great. 589: 568: 210: 336: 21: 1310:

than, (and i refer to Americans most prominatly), show some sensitivity and appreciation to the inherent distinctions of forieng things and name particularily names. The grammer and spelling of this blurb also shows the crudness of my own American education. none-the-less this is a matter of mechanical apprehension and discliplin whereas if i were to meet a foriener out of respect for them and myself i would not trample over ther given name as if it were any ole' word. Cedar Frost.

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English pronunciation is only ever heard in America, and is a totally arbitrary deviation from the French. I agree that it would be affected to insist upon a fully French pronunciations - palatalised "l", firm emphasis on final syllables - but surely there's no reason to relocate the first vowel, assuming we can all pronounce the word "Alabama" without saying "Awlabawma"?

284: 3602:. The article received vandalism from two separate accounts in a minute. The second edit was immediately reverted, but the first edit -- changing his name to Ballsack in the infobox -- remained in the article. A third vandal struck the article repeatedly, and while his vandalism was instantly reverted, the ballsack in the infobox went unfixed for 12 minutes. 1353:

in a language other than that in which we would like to discuss them. Since we're on the English version of Knowledge, and since it's a general "rule" to translate all titles, my question asking why we haven't adopted that policy here is clearly relevant. Furthermore, I have no idea what you're trying to say with "mechanical apprehension and discipline".

1386:) are either weak or arbitrary. But there's nothing we can do about that. And yes, relevant linking articles should be moved as well. And I think "Cedar Frost" is referring to the spurious Balzac/Ball-sack similarity which has been referenced with tiresome regularity on this page, and which has, if memory serves, been entirely removed... 2781:

Where was Balzac when he died? It's a mundane question, but the information is probably required for an encyclopedia, I think. Since he died only three months after his wedding, I presume he returned to France (and Hugo visited him) with his wife. Perhaps that should be mentioned, because the last we

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M. Frost, I'm not sure if you were trying to be serious above or not, but I have no problem at all with the fact that Balza was French, of course. It isn't an issue of cultural imperialism, as you suggest, but an issue of policy regarding what to do with articles addressing materials that are written

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Legend has it that as Balzac was expiring, he called to his deathbed the great Doctor Horace Bianchon. Much to the amazement of those surrounding him. For they knew Horace Bianchon was a character invented by Balzac himself in La Comédie Humaine. And so in these last moments when life and death come

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Fairly positive. I haven't seen any evidence that Balzac had contacts in the palace itself. (And I expect if he had, they would have been mentioned.) I also generally don't like to link inside quotes, but it seemed worthwhile here, given the relative obscurity of some of the place names. Okay, let's

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The final two sections, "Writing style and themes" and "Legacy", have a lot of good material, but the various short paragraphs seem a little scattershot, don't they? I think you should take this flock of wild birds in hand and tame them. ;) Find maybe 3 major themes for each section, write vividly

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I've re-orged the pop culture section to be roughly chronological, and segregated the ball sack entries to their own subsection. I'm remarkably pleased to have been able to legitimately title an encyclopedia section "Scrotum puns". Don't any of you bowdlerize it! I don't believe in trimming data; if

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Indeed the comparison with Dickens is not appropriate, not only because Balzac is a better writer, but also because their works are very different. Balzac shows a complete panorama of the French society during the Restoration on the topic of the "illusions perdues", but strictly speaking it is not a

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The opening sentence of the Legacy section currently says: "He has been compared to Charles Dickens and has been called one of Dickens' influences." There is no reference for the second part of this sentence. I am not aware of any definite evidence that Dickens ever read Balzac or was influenced by

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I remember that Balzac wrote around 30 trivial novels in his early days, and there is almost zero reference to that in the text. So, could somebody find any info considering them? I tried to find some info in English, but there are not many informations available, so, perhaps, there is some info in

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changing the image at the top of the page from a color painting of Balzac to the original black-and-white daguerrotype. I believe that the color painting is much more appealing, and I'd advocate for a change back to the painting. Rather than risk an edit war by reverting, I'd like to seek consensus

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Sigh. Someone must have changed it to "writing" and then it made no sense and then you removed it, JH – your move made sense, but someone changing it to "writing" didn't know what they were doing and now it's a headache to put it back in grrr why did I ever want anything I'd ever worked on to be on

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To be clear, I didn't intend to suggest anything was "correct" and the only thing I meant to perpetuate was a faithful reading of what Merriam-Webster and the American Heritage Dictionary said. Indeed, I dream of the day where JayHenry is the ultimate arbiter of pronunciation in American English

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The problem is that the pronunciation given as it is perpetuates an unnecessary error. There's no reason to pronounce the first "a" of "Balzac" like the "a" in "ball"; English speakers are perfectly capable of pronouncing it correctly, as in "ballerina". What JayHenry is suggesting is the "correct"

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Recalling the sculptures by Rodin I saw in Philadelphia a few years ago, I added a small piece of information to the article. What I did not mention was another sculpture I saw, not by Rodin, but a parody of his work on Balzac. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? The piece resembles Rodin's

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Even somebody's discussion under the "Vanishing discussion" header below has been gobbled up somehow. I'm posting this above the other cruft so it can be see. For some strange reason, putting it here makes the rest of the discussions show up on my preview page, anyway, don't know what will happen

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I felt the urge to copyedit here, but I wasn't sure enough about what was meant. In the first sentence, the reversal of subject makes it seem for a moment as if Balzac did the convincing. I presume from "longer works" that "stories" refers to short stories. If that is so, it might be more idiomatic

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Infoboxes are optional. I, myself, do not think that they add much to the article. If you want to retain the box, I would suggest removing all of the information that is subjective such as "Influences" and "Genres". That information is generally best conveyed in the article. Also, it has been known

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I have now read three additional books and dedicated the last two days of my life to fixing all of these things, and renominated the article for GA status. I know it's a fast turnaround, but it's not a stretch to say that I've done nothing else for the past 48 hours — outside of eating, sleeping (a

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There is some discussion of Balzac's writings and his artistic style in the "Literary success" section, but much more needs to be added. Balzac is notable because he is an author, therefore his writing needs to be discussed in more depth. I would either integrate more information on this topic into

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I simply wish to say that Balzac a french name should not be so easily denigrated by it english sonourus comparision, it only shows the highly infintile nature of english speaking people to always have floating a crude reference to things, particularlly words and names that arnt even english rather

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Honoré de Balzac was born "Honoré Balzac" (without aristocratic particle) and not "Balssa". Stephan Zweig quotes his birth certificate in his biography : "Aujourd'huy, deux Prairial, an sept de la République française, a été présenté devant moi Pierre Jacques Duvivier, officier public soussigné, un

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The different pronunciations serve different purposes. If the question is 'how did our friend Mr. Ballsack pronounce his name?' then, yes, the French. If the question is, 'how should I, Mr. English-speaker at the English Knowledge, pronounce his name in regular conversation?' then the English.

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According to the OED, "coelabacy" means "the state of living unmarried". It is not terribly clear whether the word implies chastity. Some of the quotations provided seem to imply that, but not all of them. The word disappears from English around the middle of the nineteenth century. (Hannah More's

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which cites a bunch of sources on that.) Also I changed "short stories and plays" in the opening section to "short stories and novels." Balzac's plays are not considered good (or even by him, in some cases) and it's his novels that make up the Comédie Humaine. I'm going to try to translate some of

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While a featured article, Balzac received 150 edits, the majority of which were vandalism and reverts. By my count, the article was vandalized 44 times. Of this, 33 incidents were reverted in a minute or less. In total, by my estimate, the article contained some vandalism for 48 minutes in the

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What a wonderful improvement! I am so impressed! You must have had so much fun living and breathing Balzac for two days. Without question, the article is GA. I am adding a list of tiny, nit-picky things that you can address at your leisure. I would encourage you to take this to FAC after spending

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Monsieur Frost, je ne sais pas si vous était sérieux au-desus ou non, mai je n'ai aucun problème avec le fait que Balzac était fraçais, bien sur. Ce n'est pas une question d'impérialisme culturelle, comme vous suggèrez, mais une question de politique de quoi faire avec les articles concernant des

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Sir, if I may chip in a few thoughts, I believe it is most preposterous to say that the name "Balzac" and the vulgar slang "ball sac" do not sound amazingly similar. It baffles me to think that anyone could hear this name and respond to it in a serious manner. The comparison is most certainly not

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What in the world is the evidence that there is a distinct English pronunciation? Only the Dictionary.com unabridged suggests such a thing, and its rather informal pronunciation terms make me somewhat dubious. I'd also be interested to know if anyone could explain the actual difference between

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What are "coelebs"? (Can't be "celibates", as I first assumed, since Balzac may have had a child.) The dictionaries do not help me. This difficulty could be got round by converting Saintsbury's remark to a paraphrase and using a more recognizable term for the meaning (unmarried people?). I'd be

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I'm looking for the date this work was originally published and the date it was originally translated into English by Katharine Prescott Wormeley. I've found 1896 or 1846 for the French publication but for the English I can only find that Katharine Prescott Wormeley lived from 1830 to 1908. Can

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I notice that a lot of the vandalism concerns the guy's surname (which has been punned as "Ballsack"). I also noticed that my IP (a school IP) was blocked for mudkip-related vandalism. Ah well, keep up the good work (although I'm concerned that the mudkip vandal didn't get a warning before the

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says articles "that have been expanded fivefold" will be considered; I don't know if my revision qualifies or not. Given my shoddy luck with that process in the past (and given that I already have one nom on the docket -- is it frowned upon to nominate lots of your own work at once?), I'll let

2434:. I'm not sure if the two halves of this sentence sit comfortably with each other in this construction. (Critics could differ as to its quality even if didn't pale into comparison with later works; and if they differ as to its quality, perhaps some critics don't think it pales in comparison.) 2135:

I'm a little bit concerned about this source. Do you have any reason to believe that Fernquest has any other credentials than an interest in Balzac or that his site is peer-reviewed? It looks self-published to me. Since you don't use it much, perhaps more authoritative sources could be used?

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In 1821 Balzac met the enterprising Auguste Lepoitevin; he convinced his new friend to write stories, which Lepoitevin would then sell to publishers. This effort quickly turned to longer works, and by 1826 Balzac had written nine novels, all published under pseudonyms and often produced in

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The comparision with Dickens ( "...making him the Charles Dickens of the french literature" ) is bad ;Balzac is better and more famous than Dickens...it would make sense to say about Dickens that he is "the Balzac of the british literature" , but not the other way around.Please,remove the

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Yes, some people like to affect French accents when they use French words in English. It's just that, an affectation, and if you're the sort of person who does that, you already know how it's pronounced anyways. Does anyone seriously think it's correct to talk about Bah-REES YELTseen? --

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right now in preparation for attacking that page next. I think both summaries are correct; the one currently in the article doesn't mention the connection between the man's life and the skin's shrinking. However, the emphasis is definitely on the twists of life and the connections to

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While sections of this article are very well-written and a pleasure to read, I'm afraid that I must still fail the article. Too much of it is unsourced and it is a little disorganized at the moment. A few weeks of hard work could easily bring this up to GA or even FA status, I think.

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Okay, I've done another reorganization of the lead, Style, and Legacy. I changed the wording in the lead about fitting into society; it didn't really belong in the article. His failures had to do with business, not social circles. Those other flocks are whipped into shape. –

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While I don't agree that Balzac can be said to be 'more famous' or 'better' than Dickens, I'd be in favour of removing the comparison simply on the grounds that it's fatuous to compare entirely different writers whose work is, moreover, internally pretty riven. The Balzac of

4082:, where he studied for seven years. His father, seeking to instill the same hardscrabble work ethic which had gained him the esteem of society, intentionally gave little spending money to the boy. This made him the object of ridicule among his much wealthier schoolmates." 3325:

Merriam-Webster supports differing pronunciations as well. The first phonetic spelling is Ah-nuh-reh the second is ah-nah-ray. Spoken quickly that'd be the same, the bigger issue is the stress on the last name. In English it's acceptable to place a slight stress on

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The centrality of a father in this novel coincides with Balzac's own position – not only as mentor to his troubled young secretary, Jules Sandeau, but also the fact that he had (most likely) fathered a child, Marie-Caroline, with his otherwise-married lover, Maria Du

2577:"While certain books of Balzac's never reached a finished state, some texts which are really only works-in-progress..." Does each clause refer to the same books? If so, perhaps the construction should be simplified; otherwise a redundant contrast is set up, I think. 1713:"Honoré de Balzac," in Dictionary of Literary Biography, Volume 119: Nineteenth-Century French Fiction Writers: Romanticism and Realism, 1800-1860. A Bruccoli Clark Layman Book. Edited by Catharine Savage Brosman, Tulane University. The Gale Group, 1992, pp. 3-33. – 1970:- Do your sources say this? I find it an odd pairing, since Radcliffe was knowon for Gothic novels. Although they were set in the past, they were not really "historical". Scott is usually considered the inventor of the historical novel (as I'm sure you are aware). 1469:

The "this article needs references" tag was removed not long after it was added; no explanation appears to have been given. Anyone know why it's not there? Pretty striking for an article this long (and rated B-class by several projects) to have no references. --

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Yeah, they're generally spot-on. (Thanks especially for the de-gendered language; I can't believe I missed that one.) I changed the wording of one so that we don't have two sentences in a row with the same first word, and another to remove the pattern with

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That's precisely why we also include the French. (Many foreign names don't have standard English pronunciations, but this one does.) As for the first writer's complaint about the English coming first, that's standard per the Manual of Style. Not saying it

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I don't know how the wiki works, so I apologize for my lack of understanding, however in the first main paragraph of the article it reads "Harry Balzac"? Surely this is a joke (I don't know enough to say for certain, and leave that to another to decide)

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I would offer more details about Balzac's adult life, after he rejected law as a profession. The lead refers to "difficulties entering society", but there doesn't seem to be much about that. The coverage about his various professions is good as is,

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By the way, I love that you have actually used the word "haberdashers"! This is really a wonderful article - it is such a pleasure to read a well-written article. You have done a marvelous job of evoking Balzac's perspective. Have you checked out the

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at the moment. Would be good if we could resolve those. It looks like the actual source/date of the image is a bit unclear. (If the coloring was not actually done more than 70 years ago we might not be able to use that image in the first place.)

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Identify people and texts you reference for the uninformed reader. Using a small phrase, for example, to identify Villemain, Guizot, and Cousin in the "Early life" section would let readers know why they should be impressed that Balzac studied with

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collaboration with other writers. For example, the scandalous novel Vicaire des Ardennes (1822) – banned for its depiction of pseudo-incestuous trelations and, more egregiously, of a married priest – was attributed to a 'Horace de Saint-Aubin'.

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I'm not sure about "coincides" here. Does "mentor" here mean that Balzac was acting as a father-figure to Sandeau? What does "otherwise-married" mean? (I do like the comparison with King Lear, though: that seems apt, since Goriot is old and

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I see that you have used quotations from Balzac's works to illustrate his life (for example, his time at school). I assume biographers do this as well? I don't think we can take those kinds of liberties ourselves, as much as we might want

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You're right, the titles should be given in English -- could you see to this? I think the reason the titles have been given in French so far is that there's sometimes more than one published translation, and some of the well-known titles

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générale de traduissez les titres, ma question demandant pourquoi nous n'avons pas adopté cette règle ici est bien pertinent. De plus, je n'ai compris rien de ce que vous voulait dire par << mechanical apprehension and discipline :

2792:"deterministic". I would cut the word because it is used too loosely to be useful, in my opinion, and were it used more precisely, it would need an explanation. Better to use "naturalistic", I think, since the article explains that term. 3756:. Since it is sourced to Robb, and the IP simply removed the citation, I restored it. The IP is from Oxford, but our Oxfordian friend also removed the non-controversial claim about Balzac's role as a major practitioner of realism. -- 3111:

This sentence confused me too. It's not clear that the second "some" refers to a subset of the first. I first interpreted it as "While some of his books were never finished, others were noted by critics", which is not what's intended.

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can get twenty pages, what are we Balzac lovers waiting for?). I started the page by using your discussion of the work. If the Balzacian wikipedians are happy with the idea, then the C.H. section should be removed from this page. --

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the section gets too big, split it to an article on Balzac's influence on pop culture, or at least move it to a list. If other cultural figures don't have pop culture sections on their ongoing influence over time, they should. --

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I actually like it, since it gives me a physical representation of the boundaries of the characters. (It's in reference to the characters, even though it doesn't explicitly mention them.) Should I try to make the connection

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I probably assumed – since I couldn't find the word anywhere else – that the reference came from there. But finding no signal one way or the other (in other references to that book or in the text I'm quoting) I removed it.

2257:- you can blame me for this one; this page is about a novel - I'm pretty sure the quotation isn't referencing it; however, I just edited the page to remove extraneous information not about the novel; check for sure, though 4105:

The following sentence is unclear: "Marx's work Das Kapital also makes constant reference to the works of Balzac and urged Engels to read Balzac's work The Unknown Masterpiece." The implication here is that the text of

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Hi, I'm probably going to have to review this article piece-meal, so this section is for thought that occur to me as I look the article over (and over and over... ;) I'm no Balzac expert, so please forgive my lapses.

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I hope it's not just me: The sentence "While some of his books never reached a finished state, some – such as Les employés (The Government Clerks, 1841) – are still noted by critics." reads a bit confusing. --

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I see that much of the information for this article comes from a small introduction to Balzac's life. There are many book-length biographies of Balzac - these should be used as they will provide more detailed

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There were a number of discussion elements on the talk page here not long ago. Now they appear to have merged into the WikiProjects metabanner. Does anyone know what happened and why and how to fix it?

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As a user who helped bring this article to FA status, I must say I don't really care for the English-version pronunciation, but I'm too busy reverting vandalism to care very much one way or another. –

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I've noticed that the all the titles of Balzac's works are listed in their original French, and those that link to independent articles also lead to articles under the original French titles as well.

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If only there were a book to which that quote is referenced.. Then we could find that book and check to make sure the quote is accurate. =) Yes, the quote is real, exceedingly perfect as it may seem.

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I'd like to thank everyone who's been monitoring this page (which I helped bring to FA status) and reverting the constant vandalism it's endured during its TFA run. I tried to get some preventative

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matériaux qui ont étés écrivés dans une langue d'autre que celle ce dont on voulait les discuter. Puisqu'on se trouve sur la vérsion de Knowledge anglaise, et puisque c'est une << règle : -->

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Sometime, when you have nothing to do (!), you could check the links. There are some that repeat within a section (such as "Vendome" in the early sections) and some that need to be added (such as

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I would integrate the material from "Political and religious views" into the article. People rarely have one view on something, so I think it is best to show their views changing in the biography.

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to see if there are any nuggets to add here? I hope that you continue to work on Balzac articles. Literature articles (apart from those on American bestsellers) are sadly neglected on wikipedia.

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to make Balzac, rather than "this effort", the subject of the second sentence ("Balzac soon turned to longer works, and by 1826, he..."). I can't guess what "Pseudo-incestuous relations" means.

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I made a few re-wordings in the lead that may not be exactly accurate, although I tried to render what I was understanding. Would you be so kind as to check them and correct them, if necessary?

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enfant mâle par le citoyen Bernard François Balzac, propriétaire, demeurant en cette commune, rue de l'Armée d'Italie, section du Chardonnet n°25, lequel m'a déclaré que ledit enfant s'appelle

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The bios didn't say. I think Robb speculates, but it's been a while, and I remember the discussion being filled with "may have"s and hypotheses, which I didn't want to include unless I had to.

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May 20 given by "Honoré de Balzac." Encyclopedia of World Biography, 2nd ed. 17 Vols. Gale Research, 1998. Reproduced in Biography Resource Center. Farmington Hills, Mich.: Thomson Gale. 2007.

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Okay, I did a major revision of this article, adding many notes (well, two, but I added them many times) and cutting out much of the non-sourced bits. Phew! I hope I did everything correctly.

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fable-like tale about a despondent young man named Raphaël de Valentin, who finds an animal skin promising (then, as if by magic, delivering — until finally destroying) great power and wealth

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Since the article has been deleted, I wonder if there's any way for me to view an archive of the page? I'm curious to know if it's possible to resurrect it in some responsible manner. (Every

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Aha, that makes a bit more sense! Yeah, this front page business is really a mess. Ah, the joy of wikipedia. At least the vandalism bots catch anything blatant in a matter of seconds. --

2496:* "What does "otherwise-married" mean?" It means she was married to another man. I tried to think of a different way to put it, but I felt like this was concise and as clear as I could get. 1789:

His magnum opus, a sequence of almost 100 novels and plays collectively entitled La Comédie Humaine, is a broad panorama of French society in the years after the fall of Napoléon Bonaparte.

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Balzac's own family only started using the nobiliary particle ("de") in the 1820's; according to a brief footnote I happened upon, this was ostensibly "to improve their social position". --

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Yeah, I agree the word is sketchy, but I love the quote so much I wanted to keep it intact. Whether or not he's an expert on marriage, I think it's a fair point – especially since Balzac

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Anyway, that's it for now. In general, please group the main ideas into larger, connected arcs, to give the article a stronger current that draws the reader in and along. Good luck! :)

1844:- By the time we get to this sentence, Balzac's birth is behind us by a paragraph, so perhaps explaining "whose day had recently passed" a bit more and its relationship to Balzac's birth? 350: 3207:

the correct French pronunciation of his name? If pronunciation in other languages is really that relevant, why doesn't the article mention how his name is "pronounced in German", etc? --

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Alas, the biographies don't specify. I would assume owner, since that was his usual capacity (after borrowing money). But I remember wording this sentence as is because of the ambiguity.

4721: 1886:- The colon in this paragraph suggests that all three professors are going to be listed in the same sentence. Could you rearrange it somehow, either so they are or the colon is removed? 1019:, né d'hier à onze heures du matin, au domicile du déclarant..." It was Honoré's father (Bernard François) who was born "Balssa". He changed his name in "Balzac" between 1773 and 1783. 1552:

The "Literary success" and "Legacy" sections need to be sourced to reliable literary scholarship. The "Later life" section needs to be sourced to a reliable scholarly biography. (See

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My goal was the play on the reader's assumption that these elements were countered by the burning passion in the loins of the participants. I included as much in the sentence itself.

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and please , note that his novels are not farcical, most of them are dramas or philosophical tales or analytic studies. You can find me on the french side under the user's name

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Yeah, that was an edit from another person. It refers to very distant relatives (or perhaps in-laws, I can't remember) getting intimate. I reworded it and the other sentences.

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We're lucky it was a Saturday. Vandalism is supposedly much worse on school days. It's an unfortunate byproduct of giving all them childrens computers to use in school. --

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Not from what I can tell. He did drink lots and lots of coffee, and worked really hard all the time, but there's no evidence of a specific coffee connection to his death.

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to a blur, reality and fiction too were subtly dissolving into one another. Soon after, Balzac, Doctor Bianchon, and hundreds more, were reunited forever in the Legend.

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.

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last two days, which (conveniently) works out to precisely one vandalized minute per hour. And for the most part, the worse the vandalism the faster it was reverted.

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In 1832 (after writing several of the novels in it), Balzac spawned the idea for an enormous series of books painting an enormous portrait of "all aspects of society."

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The "First literary efforts" section is quite vague. For example, what "widely varied social and artistic topics"? Some representative titles would be helpful as well.

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I've added a citation needed tag to the bit about Truffaut's considering Balzac and Proust the greatest of French writers. Though Balzac is featured prominently in

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There are a lot of very short paragraphs. It would help the reader follow the article better if these were either expanded or condensed with other paragraphs.

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That seems wrong, but I had nothing to do with it. All of this could be avoided if the admins would apply a semi-prot, which they still refuse to do. Grr. –

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Here are some supplementary queries and comments, largely about minor matters, which occurred to me when reading and copyediting the article during its FAC:

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That can't possibly be correct, as Balzac died a few months before Stevenson was born. Is it possible that this remark refers to a different Stevenson? --

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I would try to find a place for the "de" material in the "Biography". Such a little section seems trivial when, in reality, the information in it is not.

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Yes, I've come across this recently in other books I've read since this article became an FA. I'll add it one of these days. Thanks for the reminder! –

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He was French and his name is French. Is it really relevant how English speakers mispronounce his name? So relevant, in fact, that it must be mentioned

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Immediately after his birth, Honoré was sent to a wet-nurse; he was joined by his sister Laure soon afterwards and they spent four years away from home.

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No, it's vandalism, say it out loud to get the joke. You can tell because the title (and EVERYWHERE ELSE) reads Honore. We get rid of these quickly.

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Does that follow from the sentences before, which talk about character types and individuality? It seems to me a rather bland statement, in any case.

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Anything linked in the article does not have to be listed in the "See also" section (some editors, by the way, are very against "see also" sections).

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I changed Louis to louis as it is usually referred to in English. Yes, it is a coin named after King Louis; but the *coin* is not capitalized. (Ref:

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The lead should be a standalone summary of the article, that is, a little article unto itself. It should reference each section of the article. See

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It's a tough call in my opinion, because they're both good and interesting images. But it looks like there might be some copyright issues with

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and checking the article rigorously, otherwise the FAC could turn into style session (which is very unpleasant, I can tell you from experience).

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I think that the lead could probably be expanded. It is Balzac, after all, and the article is long enough to merit a more detailed introduction.

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between the 15th and right now. Absolutely no vandalism "slipped through the cracks" and remained in the article. So that's very positive.

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Yeah, and Robb gives May 20 as well, indicating that the 16th (St. Honoré's day) had "just passed". I'll change it back to May 20. Thanks. —

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I went ahead and made the delete of the CH section from this page with a link to the Comédie Humaine page. Hope people are fine with it.

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You're right. I found a spot in Rogers which makes the point and changed the note. Should we put Fernquest back into the External Links?

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Could you tell the reader who V.S. Pritchett and George Saintsbury are? Scholar? Biographer? (Same goes for other people you introduce.)

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How about translating the titles of the works into English and giving the English titles in paranthesis? Not everyone reads French. --

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Yeah, but I'll need to check the Robb bio again. He skips around a lot toward the end, so I probably just missed connecting that dot.

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Is Henry James on Balzac actually true? When he says that Balzac was immense, but hung together? Seems a little too perfect to me...

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Could you describe the difference between realism and naturalism in the "Legacy" section? Most readers, I think, will not know that.

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I agree with Ajcounter that the so-called "English" pronunciation is one that is used only in America. It's equivalent to calling

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I wonder if mentioning that wet-nursing was common among the middle and upper classes in France at that time would be a good idea?

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social work. Dickens could rather be compared to another great French novelist, who wrote later a social criticism, Emile Zola.

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What's confusing to you about it? Books of his which were unfinished when he died are still considered important. Like Kafka's

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Looking at the page history, this article is constantly bombarded with anon vandalism. Would semi-protection be appropriate?

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those works. If it's not clear in the article, I'll clarify it. Thanks, by the way, JH, for patrolling all this vandalism. –

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This was by all accounts a fairly unhappy time in his life, punctuated by a suicide attempt on a bridge over the Loire River.

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His fiction reflects the difficulties he faced in real life, and he often included scenes taken directly from his experience.

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some texts which are really only works-in-progress, such as Les employés (The Government Clerks, 1841), are of real interest

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is in great need of its own detailed page with discussion of the different versions, repeating characters and so forth (if "

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His father, born Bernard-François Balssa, was one of eleven children born to a poor family in the southern region of Tarn.

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If you can read french, I suggest you might translate a few sources and references from de french version of subject

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Anytime you mention a text, it is a good idea to give the date it was first published. It offers the reader context.

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It would be very helpful to have a separate page listing all of Balzac's works with a selection listed on this page.

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aloud as "in-DIKT-ment" would be absolved!) but alas in the meantime I defer to the dusty but trusty dictionary. --

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I wouldn't compare Dickens to Zola : whereas Zola painted a truthful, almost a pitiless picture of the society and

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I suspect some characters for accented letters were corrupted with my May 20th edit. Anyone able to help fix them?

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article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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template. I've done previews where everything looks okay here. If I save it and it's not, I'll change it again. –

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His father, seeking to instill the same hardscrabble work ethic which had vaulted him into the esteem of society

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Is "Marcel Proust (that other weaver of a great tapestry)" correct in tone for an encyclopedia? - anon passerby

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All of the images are on the right side of the page - staggering the images would make the page more aesthetic.

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Fernquest, Jon. Reader's Guide: Themes in the Novels of Balzac. Balzac's World. Retrieved on 23 August 2007.

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Thanks for your attention to detail, and I'm sorry it's taken me so long to deal with all of this stuff. –

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Thank you kindly. I'll get to work on these as soon as I have some more time to crack the books. Cheers. —

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I would move the "Works" section after the "Legacy" section - the list interrupts the flow of the article.

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There are a lot of quotations from critics in "First literary efforts" - is there any way to reduce this?

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In fact I'm going to get executive and get rid of this, it's not doing any work at all in the article.

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some time tweaking it and getting a peer review from some trusted editors at the Balzac WikiProject.

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The article also fails to mention when Balzac started to use the "de" as a part of the name and why.

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tempted to cut the whole point, though: Saintsbury may be an authority on Balzac, but on marriage?

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It's like a scene from ("my brother was killed in the war by a Polish conscientious objector")

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These books were potboiler historical novels in the manner of Walter Scott and Ann Radcliffe.

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Some one has edited to change the age in the paragraph "At age eight Balzac was sent to the

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But though his mind was receiving nourishment, the same could not be said for Balzac's body.

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Some old page history that used to be at the title "Honoré de Balzac" can now be found at

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haha, i just opened this wondering if anyone else thought this guy looks like jon lovitz.

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Although it is — as are many early works by accomplished writers — of negligible quality

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his time alone gave the boy ample freedom to plow through every book which came his way

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and make changes such as his DOB. May the gods and admins forgive me if I do wrong. —

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I think "married" would say the same thing on its own. 23:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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ok, now how would you pronounce "Gutmaker"? (hint: it derives from "Gutt Macher")

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The "Legacy" section is a prose list. Can you make it flow together more smoothly?

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reruns for this year and next? Any cleanup needed? If it helps, here's a list of

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Why is "alcove" in quotation marks the first time and italicized the second time?

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I'm a moron. Louis Lambert marries Pauline de Villenoix; Raphaël de Valentin in

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I'm not sure, so I removed the link. I'll probably do the same for the others.

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Pierrot, Chancerel (1955). "La véritable Eugénie Grandet : Marie du Fresnay".

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If you decide to submit the article to FAC, I would spend a day perusing the

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I agree with RossF18. This article in English should list titles in English.

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Balzac is regarded as a founding father of realism in European literature.

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on them near the beginning, and then put the sundry extras near the end.

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The 3rd and 4th paragraphs of the lead should probably be combined, no?

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is thus an allegorical title: a bachelor in search of a wife.)

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