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always found in English makes the word "Thou" into the second person singular as used by some who rely on the King James translation of the Bible (KJV) for the familiar way of addressing "YHWH" (like haShem, Adonai, etc.). (My native languages are Frisian and Dutch and I am very familiar with the ways in which we use the "je" or "jij" in those languages.) A native speaker of Hochdeutsch could perhaps write a short summary. There is already a very good discussion of "Thou" on Knowledge. Buber was arguing in favor of seeing "God" in everything and I have not found anything (yet) that would indicate a possible influence of Baruch "Benedict" Spinoza's pan-en-theism on Buber's theological argument.
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I agree that further clarification would be useful. In Hochdeutsch the word "du" is the familiar second person singular used for a superior addressing someone who is of lower status or rank. It is also used by older people for younger people, such as parents addressing children. So the translation
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Feel free to help me brainstorm a better title for a possible new section. I felt this article was missing a very important piece -- the lasting impact that Buber's ideas of I and Thou have left upon culture and thinking. For example, Carl Rogers and his theories, as well as Martin Luther King Jr.
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The Multiple Issues flag has been on since 2008 for citations needed. I think citations to the text would resolve the "personal essay" tag added in 2010, as it does seem to be a reasonable summary of what Buber said in the book. I've done some copy editing to make it read less like a somewhat too
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Are there any more examples of the effects I and Thou has had on our modern day? I'd be interested to see if there are any more specific examples. Another suggestion I might add to improve the section is adding separate headers for the ways different people have used I and Thou in their
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No it's not trivia, vacuous perhaps and certainly covered much better by others (one of whom you refer to), but Buber is an icon of the religious minded, and this is the main work for which he's known. Agree there should be some kind of context relative to Freud, Hegel, Sartre, etc.
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citing I and Though in his letter from Birmingham Jail. I am open to input from this community, and either way will begin drafting a possible section.
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I-thou relationships can also relate to non-material "objects" like one's future. Would be great to add this some time. Thx Ron
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Buber's Way to I and Thou: An Historical Analysis and the First Publication of Martin Buber's Lectures Religion Als Gegenwart
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in 1923 and it was first translated into English in 1937. I will update the article soon, unless someone beats me to it.
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the word pair "I–Thou" can refer to a relationship with a tree, the sky, or the park bench itself : -->
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provided at the end of the article. Can someone enlighten me? I'll wait a bit and then delete it ...
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say? "The systematic abuse of terminology specially invented for that purpose."
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Some sources I found to support notability and to expand the article: —
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as much as it can refer to the relationship between two individuals.
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Adding a New Section: Contributions to Psychology/Lasting Impacts?
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I fail to see a meaningful connection between Martin Buber's text
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An Analytical Interpretation of Martin Buber's I and Thou
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