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many others who say it is not; no *UN*controversial derivation has been given yet, and most importantly the Church herself has NOT pronounced this to be dogma. I advocate changing the entry only to remove the claim that the Church teaches it dogmatically, because the original author certainly is right that impassibility is a very popular doctrine among
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Christian views of divine impassibility were developed is quite a bit more sophisticated and elaborate than the article presently depicts; and, what it implies in Christian theology is certainly not what the article concludes. However, it's not "wrong" (just unsympathetic), so I'm inclined to leave it as it is, until a lot more of these details can be added.
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The current entry on divine impassibility in the Roman
Catholic Church incorrectly asserts that it is among the Church's dogmas. *Immutability* is a dogma, but impassibility actually is not. There are many who think impassibility is derivable from things like immutability and aseity, but there are
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I'm not sure how to economically discuss the subtleties of the doctrine of divine impassibility. It's a notoriously convoluted argument, that goes back and forth between God's intrinsic nature or essence (ad intra) and his voluntary acts (ad extra), His transcendence and His immanence, eternity and
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What tradition(s) is this accepted in? I don't know that I've ever heard of it before, and theology is one of my favorite topics. Plus the article is not clear on how God's emotion is like his hand, but that's probably because of the complexity of the issue as discussed above.
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Did you think "someone" refered to you? It did not, and I suggest you not assume that all comments on a talk page are about you. It is not about you -- or me. It is about the article, which belongs to no one and everyone. (Including someone, whoever she or he is!)
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