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all right, the second draft is up and it's three times the size of the first draft, including basically everything of importance from 1978 to 1991 and bits of stuff beyond. By the way, indexing all those Town themes just confirmed how crazy and make-shit-up-as-we-go-along the situation was back then. For example, the US catalogs listed ACCESSORIES as a town "theme" for a while.
751:- A theme is any group of Lego sets with the same label identifier on them, more or less. Their website and magazine makes it a bit easier now since all their sets are separated by theme but prior to the mid-80s they were all labeled as on Lego/Legoland/Lego System and the "classic" themes (castle/space/town) are what collectors/children at the time have separated them as.
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