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2840:
a single word of it spoken by fluent speakers, because you read misinformation and disinformation on the Internet. If you want to travel to where you can hear the language being spoken, then while you are at it, mention that you happen to be a bigger expert about their language than they are, and you are right and they are all wrong, and see how long it takes before they ask you to move on. I have found THREE reliable sources all explaining the same thing to you, but its like you do not wish to hear what they all say about the importance of the correct spelling, prefer to hear the exact opposite, and continue to pull alternate spellings out. We are talking about the spelling that is most common in the English speaking world, including all of Canada and the US, not just Nova Scotia. That spelling is Mi'kmaq. I could double the length of this page, just with listing scholarly publications in English that use the correct spelling Mi'kmaq in the title. (They are not as obstinate as you, or hmmm, perhaps they just actually know people who speak the language and know what they are talking about, unlike you). I could almost definitely find still more RSS explaining, like the three I already found, why other spellings should not be used in English. (Remember, once again, we are talking about what has been the most common ENGLISH spelling since 1980s, not some "International tribal standard" in the Mi'kmewey language or whatever you keep inventing. Knowledge policy is only concerned with the most common ENGLISH term nowadays, not with variant dialectical forms in Mi'kmewey.) On the other hand, try finding some scholarly papers IN ENGLISH that use the nonce spelling "Migmaq" in the title, and tell me if you can find single one. Please, please stop making a fool of yourself and accept what all these sources are consistently telling you about the most common ENGLISH spelling, it was Micma il the 1980s and since then it has been Mi'kmaq.
1148:"As many Micmacs spoke Scottish Gaelic as French, since New Scotland had inhabitants who can trace their relationship back 1,000 years to the Irish/Scottish/Swedish immigrants who came with Eric the Red to Newfoundland and then crossed into Nova Scotia and into Martha's Vineyard. The Island of Cape Breton was predominantly French and Scottish Gaelic and English speaking natives. The people had no automobiles until around 1914 and no road to the mainland until 1954. They all fished and farmed. There were no rich people in Cape Breton other than a few well-known engineers in the Baddeck area, like Alexander Graham Bell. Almost all the people lived a basically subsistence lifestyle except for one or two refugees from the French and Scottish Revolutions which drove Catholics out of the Highlands and out of France in the 18th century and then the Catholics out of Russia in the early 20th century. My father's tribe of Micmacs in 1913 spoke mostly Scottish Gaelic or Scots English. If any Canadians spoke anything in the 20th century other than a European based language, they must have been living in the Northwest Territories of Ontario, known as the Hinterlands. All Nova Scotians from at least 1905 were required to go to English schools in Nova Scotia." 2068:
orthography, as intended. That's why I added two sources to the "name" section that state the importance to the Mi'kmaq of getting it right. If you click all of the other external sources that are currently spelled Í in the article, I think you will find the sources themselves use the apostrophe. And the apostrophe doesn't represent a contraction. According to the grammar books I've read, it indicates that the letter k is pronounced like a hard g, in exception to normal phonetic rules of the orthography, where a k followed by a consonant is pronounced like English k. But I've had a hard time convincing everyone that the apostrophe is correct.
2942:
have this book accessible to me now, or I would be more than happy to enlighten you what he says about the apostrophe. The book is kinda hard to find. And no, the spelling Micmac is no longer the most common in English, that's really dated. You ask me to cite sources that support me (still more sources?) how about I make a list of all the recent English-language publications that have the spelling Mi'kmaq in their titles? It could get too long though. And you will also find that the spelling Micmac was more used before the mid-80s in English language sources, just like the quote I found from Hornborg says, and I've been trying to tell you.
2977:
predominates in general, which is what our naming conventions are based on. I'm happy keeping the article at Mi'kmaq, and using that spelling in the body, so I don't see how this topic is an issue here. No, I don't mean "still more sources", but that you have something to back you up when you claim something. (Your sources so far have said the native orthog is preferable to the English orthog, but it doesn't follow that any one native orthog is preferable to the others.) You say the orthographic differences are dialectal, but it appears that is not the case. I don't know what you're claiming about the apostrophe: function? appearance?
2014:
like someone who has never even cracked a single book on it, Student! A couple years ago, Wikimedia got a proposal for a Malecite wikipedia, and I counter-proposed that a Mi'kmaq wikipedia should come first, since there are only about 800 fluent Malecite speakers, and 8,000 (10x as many) for Mi'kmewey. However, neither proposal seems to have generated enough interest from computer-literate speakers - who are far fewer in number than literate speakers. You can't judge a language by whether or not it gets a wikipedia or is accessible on the internet, though - Look at
4489:, please look at their contribs. While they have sometimes been correct in stating the existence of band governments, that doesn't seem to be the main issue to me. It's my understanding that most First Nations governments are of that sort, so it's not a necessary addition. The IP went through many First Nations articles and removed the term "First Nations" and inserted text like, "a group of aboriginal people." Whether due to lack of familiarity with the topic, or as an attempt to muddy sovereignty issues, the effect is the same no matter the motive. - 243: 222: 364: 470: 1337:-- at least I am told -- residents of reserves don't have to fill out census forms. I assume however at INAC has accurate numbers of who is a member of any given band, although probably not necessarily where all those band members live. The number for Listuguj seems higher than it should be to me, unless it is based on total number of band members because many live in neighbouring Campbellton NB, down the USA, etc. In any event, I think it should be clarified what the number represents. Tim from Canada 450: 3965:
as it was you who blanket carpet-bombed thousands of articles based on that one, extremely flawed and entirely incestuous, self-serving guideline; discussion there is not needed, it has already been demonstrated that put the lie to the so-called "people-language pairs are equal primary topics" nostrum and also to you insistence that "people" is required, which is contrary to to CONCISE and PRECISION as indicated by others below and also the long-established though uncodified consensus within IPNA.
4884:. I have warned the user, and if I'm not around and they resume this behaviour, please give them a final warning and, if they proceed, report them as a disruptive editor or vandal. Given that one user looks to me to be the problem here, I am going to unprotect the page. However, I would strongly suggest that those editing as an IP here register an account. That way, once you edit as a registered user for a little while, you won't be affected by these low-level page protections. - 736: 430: 519: 498: 726: 2869:
set you straight about what the apostrophe really means, and everything else about the orthography, since you repeatedly get several points tragically wrong and again prove that you have never heard the language spoken, but everything you know is from a computer. If you want to know Mi'kmaq, you have to hear it spoken live on person, not read an encyclopedia about it and suddenly claim to be an expert and that all the speakers of it are wrong and you are right.
708: 3737:"In 2007 DNA testing was conducted on material from the teeth of Demasduit and her husband Nonosabasut, two Beothuk individuals who had died in the 1820s. The results suggest the Beothuk were linked to the same ancestral people as the Mi'kmaq, either through mixing of the populations or through a common ancestor. It also demonstrated they were solely of First Nation indigenous ancestry, unlike some earlier studies that suggested European admixture." 354: 319: 191: 810: 2452:
the "q" dropped? 2) and the worse I can say about the apostrophe - hard to look up. Casual readers are not going to be able to get to an apostrophed name easily. example: some ____ changed the name on the Hawaii article to Ha'wa'i'i. This may be correct, but you can also imagine (in English) how few people would find the article. This was changed back almost immediately by overwhelming consensus BTW.
3229:(2007) by Edgar Schneider, p. 248, argues that the spelling change from Micmac to Mi'kmaq is directly parallel to the change from "Eskimo" to "Inuit" (an argument also appearing elsewhere in literature). He says "Barber regards these developments as 'the result of a more inclusive post-colonial mentality.'" Arguing to move this article to Micmac is exactly the same as proposing a move from 589: 2700:"The more phonetically correct spelling gained ground in the 1980s, partly because the Nova Scotia Museum introduced the spelling... Today, the designation Mi'kmaq has become standard. In this volume I will use the phonetically most authentic spelling (Mi'kmaq), except in case when the word is part of a quotation from a source that uses the English spelling Micmac. 1291:
high as 10,000-20,000 (and we can guess that their figures would tend to be a lower-end estimate), and I have seen as high as 35,000. But that does not seem to gibe with the numbers that someone put in the chart. Any suggestions? Also, someone has changed my population figures. Is there any particular reason for this?
5545:(Miꞌkmaq) in the spellings. Using the apostrophe can "cause problems in electronic files because the apostrophe is a punctuation mark, not a word-building character, and the ambiguous use of apostrophe for two different functions can make automated processing of the text difficult." Thus, I propose moving the page to 4278:
Stop adding the bullshit word "Aboriginal". And now, as is typical epitome of European thinking and thought processes, the page has been placed on lock-down just in order to force it to use their favourite ugly label "aborigineal". /THIS/ is exactly why we hate you.Go fvck yourselves leave us alone.
4089:
Since the article is making a legal claim of miqmak area to miqmak people (is that according to policy of wikipedia?) it would have been interesting to read if there are any conflicting claims other than Canada. It would also be of historic interest to mention if there are other cultures predecessing
3740:
The article on the Beothuk has the support of a recent scientific study....^ a b Kuch, M; et al (2007). "A preliminary analysis of the DNA and diet of the extinct Beothuk: A systematic approach to ancient human DNA" (pdf). American Journal of Physical Anthropology 132: 594–604. doi:10.1002/ajpa.20536
3298:
I'm more or less neutral about the move. "Micmac" has much wider recognition, but the community prefers Mi'kmaq, Mìgmaq, etc. (of which Mi'kmaq is the most common)—but "Micmac" isn't pejorative, merely an English adaptation like "Canton". (I prefer "Canton" too, BTW. I'd even go for Peking and Persia
3064:
correct form)? i've personally seen Micmac a lot in genealogy reports. Corrupt? Maybe so, but so what. That's English for you! It's best to stick with what is common IMO unless proven to be quite wrong. Hard to do when one is mapping one language to another's alphabet when the original language is no
2839:
I'm not pushing a regional form, and becoming embarassingly clear that you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and are presuming to tell people who are fluent in the language that they are all wrong, and that you are right about their language even though you have never even so much as heard
2451:
the pronunciation vs spelling discussion here - I don't think they are related. Anyway, I just changed Micmaw to Mi'kmaq which I realize now was probably wrong. Having done it, it does raise two questions: 1) why is the adjectival form so different from the tribal name. i.e why no apostrophe? Why was
2416:
how English sounded in (say) 1600, much less a language that was rendered into the English or French language/orthography. You seem to be arguing "sense" here, which is great ordinarily, if it is really a problem that can be solved with logic. I'm inclined to doubt that. My suggestion is to (you were
2013:
There are about 8,000 status Mi'kmaq Indians, mostly living on reserves, who are fluent in the language, or about half, as the article currently says. The Mi'kmewey language is not a very literary language; it has always been more of a spoken language among the People. You really sound more and more
1978:
in Mi'kaq. I suggest forgetting about percentages. The percentage was aimed at some group but not the entire people IMO. With nobody speaking it under 35, that would be about half, right there. And some don't speak it at all. Another loss. If a person is literate in French or English, they shouold be
1336:
Are the population figures given for the various reserves supposed to be the number of band members for that band, no matter where they live, or of the actual Mi'gmaw population living on the reserve in question? I think it should say. Stats Canada population numbers are not accurate for reserves as
4666:
He says, "the Mi'kmaq First Nation has 23 Maritime Communities, and five in other jurisdictions: Newfoundland (1) Quebec (3) Maine (1) These communities, with the exception of the two in Maine, have been organized into Bands under Section 2 of the Indian Act." In other words it is not the Mi'kmaq as
4105:
It is against wikipedia policy to use this page for a general discussion of the article topic or query for information, rather than to discuss content. It is not against wikipedia policy to mention the fact that most Mi'kmaq sovereign land was simply seized without permission or payment whatsoever,
2868:
ALso it is supremely ironic that you keep referring to Manny Metallic, because if you would bother to get his 1976 book "Micmac Teaching Grammar" (note he uses what was then the current English spelling in the title of his book, but is no more the most common English spelling since the 80s) it would
2550:
The article now makes it plain with multiple sources that Mi'kmaq is correct and preferred nowadays, that "Micmac" is a corrupted and outdated form, and why. Still more sources could be found explaining this, if you do not think it is enough. I see that you do seem confused - since you keep writing
1515:
The history section talks of Mi'kmaq expansion into the Gaspé, saying "they were expanding from their Maritime base westward along the Gaspé Peninsula /St. Lawrence River at the expense of Iroquioian Mohawk tribes". There is no cited reference and I have to question the accuracy of the claim that it
990:
Some good work has been done since I last checked this out. I made a few corrections regarding the Wabanaki Confederacy and the Treaties with Britain. There were five nations in the Confederacy, not seven; I added their names. I think the person who wrote that was thinking of the seven districts,
965:
In the table, the spelling for Whycocomagh was incorrect (Whycomagh). However, the page for Whycocomagh has the correct spelling. So... I assumed that it was just a typo, rather than ignorance; seeing as you had to have typed the correct spelling in the source code for the page to link properly. All
3964:
Revisit your own discussion as it's clear by now that your "unanimous vote" there was in error and not made with reference or respect to many other guidelines including TITLE. Your copy-pasting of this objection to one-by-one RMs about "every ethnicity in the world" is hypocritical in the extreme,
3943:
There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should
3126:
You clearly haven't been paying attention to a single one of the RSS. Look on Google books, where you can see the dates of publication. You will find that most of the hits for "Micmac" are older, while hits for "Mi'kmaq" are far, far more common in anything written within the last 20 years. This
3059:
a personal vendetta! You have contributed a lot to this article and will continue to contribute more, I'm sure. I don't like apostrophes in titles if they can at all be avoided. It means that the site will have fewer readers automatically. We want more readers: therefore wouldn't it be best to pick
2941:
I never said I spoke Mi'kmaq, but I will say at least I have heard fluent speakers speaking it on many occasions. In fact, since you brought it up, I have briefly studied Mi'kmewey grammar from Metallic's 1976 book, but would hardly pretend myself to be fluent by any means. Unfortunately I do not
2903:
The most common spelling in English is "Micmac". Per naming conventions, we follow generally common rather than academic spellings. I'm happy to make an exception if that's the wish of the Mi'kmaq community (or a portion of the community)—such considerations are also general practice—but there's no
2744:
was a practical concession to the manual typewriter, not a change for its own sake. New Brunswick uses "Miigmaq". The Listuguj Council in Quebec uses "Mi’gmaq". Metallic prefers none of these, and uses "Mìgmaq" & "Mìgmaw" for his dictionary. As for "Micmac", he says that this is the traditional
1969:
Another problem you'd have to contend with is the orthography of the language which was reduced to writing by the French with probably mispellings/misunderstandings along the way. Not terrifically accurate. You are going to have sounds in Mi'kmaq that can't be properly reproduced in French or maybe
1290:
Good question. Our population figures don't seem to agree with each other. I added some figures for estimated pre-contact population. I have never seen anything lower than 5,000, but that is definitely at the low end. I know the Crown in the Marshall case acknowledged that it might have been as
5260:
2. Language development is not ahistorical pseudoscience. Claiming that "Miꞌkmaq developed an independent prehistoric sequence", with Miꞌkmaq being the subject of this sentence, making them developers of (linguistic?) "sequences", is at best ahistorical, or, at worst, ungrammatical gobbledygook.
4327:
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. I do not understand how the term "aboriginal" ever became appropriate or what specifically in the origin of the word makes it appropriate. The etymology reflects a distorted way of thinking that we must forcibly wrap our head around thanks to busy lovely folk
3015:
English and does not contain an apostrophe, hard to find and spell in English. We will never know what the word sounded like in native form since it was mapped into a non-Micmac alphabet hundreds of years ago. We have hundreds of names in English that do not match what other languages use, Rome vs
2804:
I don't know why you're pushing a regional form, since there's no pan-Mi'kmaq consensus, but it's obvious that Mi'kmaq is not "the only acceptable form". There are three Canadian orthographies, divided along provincial lines. Metallic writes that "the most popular spelling is still the traditional
5132:
Is there a general understanding or guidance on when to change use to Mi'kmaq vs when speaking of a historical name of an organization, book, etc that was called Micmac? Specifically I just reverted Mi'kmaq Missionary Society to Micmac Missionary Society as the later was the historic name in the
4925:
Due to renewed edit-warring, I have semi-ed the page for one week. This is not an endorsement of any version, but edit-warring won't solve the problem. IP editors, I again suggest you register an account so people can tell the IP editors apart, and so everyone editing here can be brought into the
4855:
As it was explained to me in High School, we stopped using the term in Canada as the Australians also use it for their indigenous people and it caused confusion so it was asked that we stop using it, so we did. But the term itself is over 2 thousand years old and has an explicit meaning, from the
4785:
given that the word Aboriginal is used in Canada as a legal term. I did try to update the Aboriginal peoples in Canada article from the links provided earlier but other than those three I couldn't find anything else. Neither the Anishinabek nor the Manitoba Chiefs seemed to have anything on their
4534:
does not define the Mi'kmaq as a band. If the Mi'kmaq as a whole are a band then why is there no list of the band councillors or the chief? Again if the Mi'kmaq as a whole are a band why does the third paragraph of the lead section say "Canada's newest Mi'kmaq First Nations Band, the Qalipu First
2976:
Shoot. A native speaker would have been nice. You certainly implied that you spoke it: You contrasted yourself quite patronizingly to me as a non-speaker. I agree that the relative frequency of "Micmac" has decreased, and I don't doubt that in scholarly pubs "Mi'kmaq" predominates, but I doubt it
2895:
First of all, I had no idea you spoke Mi'kmaq. It's not at all apparent from the way you attack people you disagree with, rather than presenting evidence to prove your point. Personal attacks are inappropriate and can get you blocked. You might want to try sharing what you know rather than citing
2602:
Once again, you've proved that obviously you've never spoken about this with a single live Mi'kmaw speaker in person; once again you are pontificating from your armchair about things you've only read and are presumably very far away from you. If you had ever spoken with real live Mi'kmaq who know
2307:
and don't explicitly mention voicing. I'd think that it would be voiceless word-finally, and perhaps voiced between vowels, but I'm just guessing there. (It would be typologically very unusual for a language to have voiced fricatives but not voiceless fricatives, though sometimes velars are a bit
2212:
It looks like you don't have full IPA font support, or maybe in your preferences you've overridden the default wiki IPA fonts to something which lacks some IPA characters? You just said, "I simply cut and pasted the g to represent q (where it belongs) from the 'k (where it doesn't belong, because
1965:
Not so sure. Look at this closely - there are not a lot of books written in this language. Nowdays they could be self-published on a computer I suppose, but until 10 years ago, you'd have to use clumsier methods. We're not talking an encyclopedia written about the world or anything. Not a lot of
5380:
I wanted to learn more about Mi'kmaq history but I found the article very poorly written. it spends just an almost equivalent amount of space to the people who are describing their history. I have never come across this before on wikipedia and I use it daily. instead of telling us which academic
3707:
I see that you have done some editing and contributions to this article. Based on looking at this article, I feel that you should expand and add information in the Pre-culture contact section as well as the last section. Another thing you can do is explain what your contributing to this article.
2067:
You're right, and this has been an issue before. All of the main Mi'kmaq publishing groups today use "Mi'kmaq" as in the title of this article. And it's not because they can't find any keyboard they can make an Í on, take my word for it. The apostrophe is the correct spelling in the Francis
1852:
Til, no need to get testy. Although calling your edit 'vandalism' is of course ridiculous (perhaps that was just a bot-automated edit summary? it's worded like one), research is irrelevant: the article makes a specific population claim that needs referencing. Expecting Mi'kmaq to meet equivalent
1674:
from The Canadian Guide to English Usage. "'The Aboriginal people formerly called Micmac now spell their name Mi'kmaw (singular; pronounced MIKMAW) and Mi'kmaq (plural; MIKMAK). The Union of Nova Scotia Indians and the Mi'kmaq Grand Council have adopted these forms and request that others follow
1439:
If so then one could reasonably conclude that there would be both genetic and linguistic similarites between Mi'kmaq's genome and language and those of the Chinese mariners. A cursory look shows no relationship to the Algonquin member language and Mandarin dialects. Has anyone done research in
5572:
The Catholic faith and traditional Mi'kaq faiths are not compatible. In Catholicism there are no provisions for holding pagan beliefs as Part One, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. First Nationer spiritualism is viewed as pagan by the Church and condemned.
5314:
In the case of Tahitian, for example, the Académie tahitienne has rules about how to write the glottal stop (they say it is an apostrophe, either straight " ' ", or curved " ' ", or tilted " ʻ "). In the case of writing Mi'kmaq (if it follows the Listuguj transcription, the orthography used for
1900:
Thanks for the update and footnote. I do not interpret the reference the same way the Knowledge article does. The reference claims that in some areas the language has been completely lost; in others not spoken by anyone under 35. The "50" percent seemed to be aimed at a second or third language
5238:
I would be happy to help streamline the readability of the article. Could you please clarify how language development is ahistorical pseudoscience? There is consensus in the linguistics community that the Miꞌkmaw language developed initially out of Proto-Algic, then into Proto-Algonquian, then
2741:
U Nebraska 2004), there is no common orthography. The spelling "Mi’kmaq" ("Mi’kmaw") was adopted by the Nova Scotia Mìgmaq in the 1970s. He says that there is not complete consensus because the use of the apostrophe is awkward, especially in the computer age—suggesting that the substitution of
1543:
Also the plain simple fact that 3 of the Nations you mentioned are part of Waponakiyik, the Wabanaki Confederacy (those being Maliseet, Mi'kmaq, and Abenaki). Further, that part of "Gaspé" is claimed as traditional territory, despite the "Quebec" government saying they don't have such a claim.
2704:
First of all it is the spelling which is recommended by the Mi'kmaq themselves. For some Mi'kmaq, the English spelling is a further example of the European annexation of Mi'kmaq language and culture. To get their own spelling legalized was and still is an important step for modern Mi'kmaq in
2532:
to be in English! Why don't we use "Micmac" as the title, first in the lead with other explained and "Micmaw" as adjectival form? This makes more sense to me and avoids confusion. Admit it. Even you guys are confused and you are the experts. Think of how much casual readers will be confused.
1304:
I've changed the population to 40 000. I've also changed to population of Paq’tnkek First Nation to 500 (It was listed as 10 000 previously, which is far too large). If you add up the population of the Mi'kmaq communities listed you get well over 20 000; actually fairly close to 30 000. This
2896:
sources that do not support you and insisting that you're right anyway. We are generally delighted to have native speakers contribute, assuming they know what they're talking about. (Most native speakers of English don't know much about English, and the same's true of every other language.)
5045:
The grammar here needs to be fixed. Whether we say "are a People" or "are Peoples", the way it is now is incorrect: "The Mi'kmaq are a First Nations peoples". I'm not going to edit as I semi'd the page to stop the edit warring, but it should either be: "The Mi'kmaq are a First Nations
1462:
There's a website which debunks Chiasson's claims, as well as those of Gavin Menzies, a researcher who makes similar claims with respect to early contact between indigenous North/South Americans and the Chinese. Chiasson's pseudoscientific theories have no place in Mi'kmaq history. --
1184:
So my question to other Wikipedians is, can we use any of the added material? I suspect that anecdotes don't cut the mustard, but I'm not sure, and thus I will not delete this section right away. If no one has any comments in the next week or so, I'll remove the paragraph. Cheers,
5218:
The Miꞌkmaq lived in structures called wigwams. They cut down saplings, which were usually spruce, and curved them over a circle drawn on the ground. These saplings were lashed together at the top, and then covered with birch bark. The Miꞌkmaq had two different sizes of wigwams. ...
2748:
Per our naming conventions, "Mi'kmaq" is inappropriate as a local Nova Scotian form that does not give adequate representation to all Mìgmaq. It looks like our best choices are "Mìgmaq", which is was designed to be an inter-community standard, or the traditional English "Micmac".
1056:
represent, I can render it in the IPA. Of course, the result will only be as good as the info you give me, since I know nothing about the language itself, and I understand it's rather divergent from other Algonkian languages. Let me know on my talk page, in case I miss it here.
5438:
It has always been my knowledge that the Mi'kmaq tribe was part of the Algonquin Nation. Also, that the Mi'kmaq tribe extended into the southern nation to the extent of Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Please tell me I am correct or incorrect as my Great Grandmother was 100% Mi'kmaq.
1428: 3016:
Roma, Florence vs Firenze, Venice vs Venizia, Germany vs Allemand, Austria vs Oesterreich, etc. etc. What is, is. Let's make this less about political correctness, elusive here because of orthography and time, and more about what makes sense and can be documented.
2899:
There are three regional orthographies. The are not "dialect" forms, according to Metallic; they follow Canadian provincial boundaries, not dialect boundaries. Knowledge is a reference tool, so you should not delete such information. All three orthographies should
3406:
Other than Northern Maine, is there any evidence of Mi'kmaq habitation in the rest of New England (i.e., Vermont, New Hampshire, Mass., Conn., NY)? If so, this should be cited. If not, the text should be changed "Northern Maine" in the interest of specificity.
1279:
What is the population information, is that status indians, or people of aboriginal descent, or self identified mi'kmaq? I had thought that mi'kmaq population in Nova Scotia alone was 20K, slightly less than the 30k for Acadian and 30K for African Nova Scotian.
2641:
instead of "Naples" unless you've spoken "with real live Italians". "Micmac" is the common English word, "Micmaw" less so; if the Mi'kmaq would prefer that others use a specific orthography, that's fine by me, but it doesn't change centuries of English usage.
951:
In the table you've forgotten Red Bank, in Red Bank New Brunswick. I don't have any numbers, however, or pronounciations for you. I have more information on the Mi'kmaq, my family is from Eel Ground, so I will work on something to add to our article.
4676:
to". Given that the word is still used commonly in Canada and does have a legal meaning removing the link is not serving the readers. If it's not done by the time I come back to work (about 12 hours) I will fix the Aboriginal peoples in Canada article.
3037:
and has been since the 1980s, while Micmac is considered demeaning and should be avoided, what more would it take? I honestly think you are trolling me now just to see what kind of a reaction you will get, becaise you couldn't possibly be this obtuse.
2127:
Til, you're making rather bizarre changes to the IPA. All I did was correct the orthography. I made no changes whatsoever to the pronunciation. You are reverting away from the IPA; in your last edit, you used half IPA & half Latin. And according to
1973:
The study was, I suppose commissioned, didn't get a lot of response to a survey (which they anticipated) and had to guess at literacy by random interviews as well as the few surveys they got back. I think you are looking at 800 "or more" people who are
3572:
Why try to read between the lines? He said it is largest. While Jerry Garcia once asserted that "louder is better (where I come from)", neither that assertion nor the assertion that "bigger is better" is necessarily true. Bugs was just stating a fact.
3744:
I propose the word "unrelated" be changed to "related"....It is very important distinction that has had real world consequences...The Mi'kmaq of Newfoundland have had their land claims strengthened by the acknowledgement of their Beothuk heritage...
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was called that precisely because it was granted by Charles I to a colonizing group from Scotland in 1620. However, the colony was short-lived due to politics between Britain and France at the time, and any Gaelic seen today is likely the result of
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a whole that are bands but the the communities in Canada. You don't have to use the word aboriginal to link to Aboriginal peoples in Canada. Currently it reads "a First Nations band government, indigenous to" and could be changed to <nowiki: -->
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According to reliable sources Micmac is now considered offensive both by the Mi'kmaq people and in Canada in general. Google hits is a bad guide because the correct spellings are various with and without apostrophe and accent, and with or with out
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According to the 1917 Halifax Explosion article, some communities of Mi'kmaq around Tufts Cove were permanently destroyed by the blast, yet there does not appear to be any mention of this in the Mi'kmaq article itself. Is there a reason for this?
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As for "scholarly papers IN ENGLISH that use the nonce spelling "Migmaq" in the title", what, you don't accept a dictionary as scholarly? Please. Yes, "Mi'kmaq" is more common than the other native alternatives, which is why we use it in this
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seems a bit confused here using Indigenous and Aboriginal) and the link to Aboriginal peoples in Canada should, along with First Nations be linked in the article to help readers with a general understanding. It would be useful to have the
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Last night I received a request to semi-protect the page as there was IP edit-warring going on. Now that I've had time to look over the contribs I think the disruption was due to a particular IP: 74.248.189.199, the same one who has been
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We need to have a standard spelling for Mi'kmaq throughout the article for consistency. It makes the article more credible and shows that the editors are paying attention and trying. I personally don't like the contracted spelling but it
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The first sentence is specific to language development. The second is about location in proximity to the ocean as opposed to rivers. It is academic in nature and could use simplification for better understanding to a global population.
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Looking just at the edit summaries, I thought the request for a citation for Mi'kmaq still being spoken was silly. However, we say that 1/3 of the Mi'kmaq speak their language. I think a precise claim like that does require a source.
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Nations in Newfoundland and Labrador." and the last sentence "Its members are recognized as Status Indians, joining other organized Mi'kmaq bands recognized in southeast Canada." Why is there no listing for the Mi'kmaq as a whole at
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population plus the numbers from the new Qalipu Band forming in Newfoundland means the population is likely well over 40 000 (Qalipu is going to be well over 10 000; rumours are suggesting overr 20 000 people have already applied).
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Mi'kmaq people are culturally related to the Algonquin cultural group, but form their own nation. That might just be a semantic difference in "tribe" vs "nation" or "culture". In Massachusetts, I think you would be thinking of the
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squares perfectly with what all the sources you've been ignoring, have been telling you pointblank, about how the spelling "Micmac" is severely outdated, and comparable to the term 'Eskimo" instead of Canadian Inuit, etc. etc.
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I see someone changed the details of the concordat to having been concluded with the French Jesuits. Obviously it was concluded by the Jesuits, but my understanding was that it was on behalf of the Vatican and the Holy see?
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radio stations nor television programs nor videos.That is the misfortune of languages spoken by few people. If the kids want to listen to cartoons, it's going to be in French or maybe English with French subtitles or dubbing.
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The lede says there are 66,748 Mi'kmaq but does not give a date. The language section says 168,420 Mi'kmaq in 2016. The demographics section says 20,000 Mi'kmaq in 2006. These can't all be true, so which one is accurate?
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per CambridgeBayWeather. In cases where the requested move simply eliminates the word "people", and the destination title is already a simple redirect to the current title, it is clear that guidelines favoring both
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So we could 1) assume they already knew this and that's why they want it prominently in the lede 2) give benefit of the doubt that they didn't know that but not if 3) they continue to pretend they didn't see that
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of Eritrea for instance - it has a million and a half speakers, but almost every one of these, spend their entire lives herding cattle - not plugged into a computer; so, the 'pedia was closed for lack of writers.
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all use Micmac. Generally they include Mi'kmaq as an alternate spelling, though the most authoritative, the OED, gives several other alternate spellings and does not indicate which one is the preferred. However,
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asking them to do the same. Based on their feedback so far it looks like they will change it which means we should update the reference in the Etymology section. Any thoughts on how to change this reference?
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Well I left this for a few days to see if anybody else had anything to add, especially something that indicated the Mi'kmaq as a whole were a band government. Seeing as there was nothing added I made the
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entry, historical maps show them to be located nowhere north of Montreal. I think this sentence should be changed unless someone can show a reliable reference. AnthroGael 15:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks to whoever added the flag. I added a bit about the concordat with the Vatican, and also the population of Abegweit FN (constantly changing, but an estimate). I made a few other minor changes.
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There's also the problem that not all Mi'kmaq speak with one voice. According to Evertype, at least one council prefers "Míkmaq", and for all I know others still use "Micmac". Language isn't absolute.
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about political correctness. We are trying to use whatever is actually used. A google search on "Mi'kmaq" turned up 300,000 hits; Micmac = 3 million. It seems to me that Micmac is what is being used.
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I checked Sean McLaughlin's online bio and nowhere does it claim that he is Mi'kmaq. Why is his name listed? Ryan McLaughlin: there are no online references to a "Ryan McLaughlin" who is Mi'kmaq.
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One Decimal Two Billion Catholics In The World That Is Lot Of Catholics. If You Are Smart In Doin That. How About Answering The Question Here. How Many Christians Are There In The World .
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It would be worth noting that the pronunciation of Mi'kmaq is not "mick-mack" as many people call it, but rather "mig-maw". It would be great to have the pronounciation written out in the
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expecting this, right?  :) find a reference that makes the same claim you are supporting and use that. There has to be a pronunciation guide to the tribal name itself somewhere. Thanks.
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Interjecting personal opinion here: personally, I don't see why a foreign government could say whether or not someone's land was theirs if said gov't has none on that land to begin with.
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I can't begin to take sides here BUT, as you know, vowels (not consonants so much) "float" with time and change. Consonants may change some as well. As a result, we do not really know
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No, it's patently absurd because the spelling "Micmaw" is only used erroneously and ignorantly; it's a horrid hybrid of the misnomer "Micmac" and the correct adjectival form Mi'kmaw.
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According to the disambiguation page (created by Kwami) "Mi'kmaq is the plural form of Mi'kmaw, meaning "our kin-friends" or "my friends." Nothing is said about the adjectival form.
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the title on the article. Can't we standardize to that? There are currently 4 or 5 spellings at least (ones under etymology and others that need explanation are excluded of course).
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page that states: "Aboriginal peoples is beginning to be considered outdated and slowly being replaced by the term Indigenous peoples." (Todorova, 2016). See also the discussion on
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And as for the nature of the apostrophe, it would be most helpful if you could enlighten us on what Metallic said. This "if you only knew" argument isn't going to carry any weight.
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It means from the origin. The Latins, allies of the Romans, called themselves that in order to show that they had a closer tie to Rome as they were "Roman" "from the begining.
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That's the first time I've seen that theory. Rather amusing. I've seen the "Ancient Egyptian" one, because of a superficial resemblance of writing to hieroglyphics, but it's
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origin. Opposition to it from First Nations seems odd as their entire claim is based on the fact they were here first, but calling them a term that means that is... racist?
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Actually, you've transcribed it wrong. According to that passage, it's "Mi’kmaq", not "Mi'kmaq". (In case you think I'm being silly, take a look at "Hawaiʻi" vs "Hawai'i".)
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Kwami, perhaps you didn't see yet the "proposed page move" added to the top of this page by another editor earlier today, see also the proposed move section above here...
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not the 'k" (that is, "the q is pronounced g not the 'k"). But in your edit, you made both of them , and used different g's. Maybe you don't have a font with IPA support?
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Yes, the Nova Scotia orthog is most common native orthog in English. That's been a given for about two pages now, but you're still hammering away at it. I don't get it.
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Welcome to 2017. The term "aboriginal" is being phased out and the term Indigenous is more correct. For reference, see the quote on the Indigenous Peoples in Canada
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It says First Nations but no longer has the incorrect band government. Are you saying that the Mi'kmaq are not Aboriginal Canadians? Do you have a source for that?
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reverted again by BKonrad, cautioning Kwami that "revert cut and paste move again; there is no "standard" that justifies cut and paste moves; you have been warned"
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the form "Micmaw" which doesn't ever appear anywhere. Thus I would explicitly oppose moving the article to "Micmac" or anywhere else, other than where it is now.
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As with the others, this discussion will benefit from a more centralized discussion, though it seems that the general consensus is to support moves of this type.
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It's possible because there aren't any good sources for this, it's not being excluded for any specific reason. I wasn't even aware of it until you mentioned it.
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is voiced between vowels, voiceless "elsewhere". There are "some exceptions", which I assume includes being voiced between a vowel and a voiced consonant like
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Codex, you say there needs to be discussion for the recent move you reverted. Well, how about it? You are apparently the only one who has a problem with it.--
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and g as two different letters, when in fact they're merely two variants of the same letter. The IPA says both are acceptable, and many people use <g: -->
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large numbers of Gaelic-speaking Highland Scots emigrat to Cape Breton and the western portion of the mainland during the late 18th century and 19th century
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with the historic addition of Great Britain as the eighth (as illustrated by the eight pointed star). I changed that statement and moved it to the end.
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I am reasonably certain that Mi'kmaq is now the more common spelling, at least in Canadian journalistic usage. It's the first spelling listed in my 1998
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I have a strong suspicion that the Kevin Cloud linked to on this page is not the correct one. Somebody more knowledgable than me can confirm this.
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What are you talking about? You're the only one arguing about moving this page to Micmac. Are you arguing with yourself, or is someone emailing you?
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spelling, and the most popular (at least absolutely), but is "perceived as being colonially tainted". He does not address the orthography in Maine.
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If you are going to go canvassing support for that pov on other boards, why didn't you go to the Indigenous peoples wikiproject where it belongs?
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Now you're just being silly. That's like saying that you can't use the word "Chinese" unless you've spoken "with real live Chinese", but must use
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We don't need two articles about the same nation. A section on the various names used to designate the nation could easily fit in this article.
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also applies given that Mi'kmaq is a redirect here. There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title.
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Some First Nations do reject the term and providing links is a lot better that the rotating IPs screed. However, others still use the word (
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Thanks. I forgot to post there. By the way there was no canvassing. I just asked people to take a look. They can comment any way they want.
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So You Are Kind Of Saying Yworo. Your Ancesters Can Be Catholic . Somewhere In Time It Can Convert To Christianity. Am I Right Yworo .
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or more readers." Not sure what that means. 800 is a lot less than 50%. But this reference gives us a start and is objective, though vague.
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AFAIK they're wrong. The Grand Council adopted "Míkmaq". "Mi'kmaq" is an orthographic shortcut. It's a bit like arguing whether the word is
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Well the final sound in Mi'kmaq represented by q is not exactly ... it is the more voiced version of . I thought the symbol for that was
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I reverted it to people. The Mi'kmaq are a people who are included in the group of indigenous peoples of Canada and the United States.
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I see lots of more sources beside these, saying exactly the same thing; are these not enough? let me know and I will put more here.
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was at the expense of Iroquoian Mohawk tribes. Heading southwest along the lower St. Lawrence, today's Mi'kmaq would first meet the
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I would like to be sure that the term band government is incorrect. I am not in agreement with adding the word aboriginal back.
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Precise numbers require an equally precise footnote. It seems someone is guessing and can't begin to furnish a reference. There
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It's fictional... Gaelic was certainly spoken in Mi'kmaq country, but I've never heard of any Mi'kmaq themselves speaking it...
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capability in some groups - a bit vague IMO. "Literacy rate in first language: 1-5%; Literacy rate in second language: 50-75%.
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3. I am very happy with your rephrasing of this thought about this linguistic development (aka "sequence" I presume) above.
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going through many First Nations articles, removing the words "First Nations," and adding "aboriginal" and "band government"
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indicates 1.2 billion Catholics in the world, and a quick calculation indicates that's at least 50 percent of the overall. ←
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the Mi'kmaq as a whole are not a band government. The term covers smaller groups that make up the entirety of the Mi'kmaq.
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it says "Each community has its own leadership known as the Band Council, with an elected Chief and several Councilors."
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hang on, I'm looking now to see if i can find more quotes like that one, woudln;t surprise me if I found several more.
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longer around to be re-mapped if necessary. We don't have recordings or written records in the original to go back to.
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per nom. An identified people should be the primary topic of a term absent something remarkable standing in the way.
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Okay Then Kid You WOn It. You Are Right. Catholicism Is A Form Of Christianity. Thank You For Correcting My Error.
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to , this time using the correct IPA g at the same time you reverted the first to a Latin g. That's just bizarre.
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Oh . So You Are Saying Which Religion Is Better. I THink You Are Saying Catholicism Is Better. Am I Not Right .
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Having decided above that there was supposed to be an apostrophe, someone reverted everything to the material
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And here we go again. Same reasons. Two weeks now. Engage on talk page and come to consensus or move on. -
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which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —
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is the one used most frequently by non-Mìgmaq people." It would seem that both of your claims are false.
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Has been expanded since then, so I'm rating it a start class (it's close to being a B class article) --
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is by far the world's largest Christan denomination. About half the world's Christians are Catholics. ←
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to represent q (where it belongs) from the 'k (where it doesn't belong, because that is pronounced g).
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It shows that it's a long vowel. That's why the Francis-Smith orthography placed the diacritic on the
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Bob Newman appears to not belong on this page. His bio says nothing about him being a L'nu (Mi'kmaw).
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It may be an important part of their culture, but this is still supposed to resemble an encyclopedia.
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I was about to comment on this because I noticed it states the largest Mi'kmaq population is in NFLD.
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For THeir Religion It Is Not Christianity. I Believe It Is Catholic. According To My School Book.,,
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miqmak in the area. I wish as a christmas gift to myself that someone answer my questions. PLEASE??
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lead added by User:CaffeinAddict on 2 November 2020 8:33 PM to the related section in this article.
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then after an effort by Till Eulenspiegel to correct Uysvdi's misspelling of "disambiguation" was
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I know of one who lives in Southern Maine but I can't say the name as he is under 13 years old
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I disagree with this deletion. Narratives like this are an important part of Mi'kmaq culture.
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superficial. We know where we came from ;). I wouldn't count that conjecture as being valid.
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until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.
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something about the subject, you'd never say that! And you sound so authoritative, too...
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to change the preferred spelling that they use from Micmac to Mi’kmaq. I have also filed
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Well, it gets redirected from Micmac. Not the end of the world but still maybe desirable.
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Coming into this late but there seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "aboriginal".
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rebuilding their culture." -- Mi'kmaq Landscapes By Anne-Christine Hornborg (2008) p. 3
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FYI I asked that the article be semi-protected due to edits made by IP: 74.248.189.199
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unlike nearly all other other native nations, and in contradiction to the rule of law.
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Dr. Paul, whom you referenced earlier seems to be under the same impression as myself
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I've tried contacting the Grand Council, but I can't find a functional email address.
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They spoke the langague English Russian and British in the past 20 years by studies.
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I'm not sure how to do what you proposed. I'll do it if I can figure it out. Thanks.
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As for moving the article to Mìkmaq, I'd be in favour of it, since that's what the
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Also such passages contrast with Simple English Wiki-level sentences below, e.g.
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CaffeinAddict's content in 2020 Mi'kmaq lobster dispute also used in this article
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Population e is high - total s/b 30,000 not 40,000 and truro s/b 600 not 1,000.
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the article admits that it is spelled "Micmac" in English, Um. This article is
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because of typographic issues, but in formal situations it's better to use <
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is for; however, leaving it as is is easier to type for some keyboard layouts.
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
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Please use your version, prunning such weird and pesudoscientific passages.
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Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution:
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Other than that I think you are doing a good job on this article. Cheers! (
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retains "Micmac", perhaps because there is no consensus on an alternative.
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as ; you're the one saying it's incorrect. You also changed <nowiki: -->
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Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
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I Know SomeBody Who Is Christian . But The Person Is Not Catholic Too.
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Still more quotes, in an attempt to resolve the confusion some still have
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is pronounced voiced, , because it is between voiced sounds, a vowel and
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There seems to be an alternating use of an apostrophe (Mi'kmaq) and the
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the apostrophe first, and with (the title) second. This is inconsistent
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There is an apostrophe. The q/w is part of the grammar of the language.
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use of the names of academics in the description of history of Mi'kmaq
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The ꞌ is Unicode A78C. Should this be an apostrophe ' (Unicode 0027)?
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For example, according to the Mìgmaq writer Emmanuel Metallic, in his
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which omits the term Aboriginal. But there still should be a link to
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updated to indicate that some First Nations find the term offensive.
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So even though First Nations, Inuit and Metis people use Aboriginal (
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Ah, yes, sorry! I thought *we* were having this debate! My apologies.
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never made it to Newfoundland for one, and the settlement party with
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http://aptn.ca/news/2015/02/19/indigenous-versus-aboriginal-one-use/
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Yet, in contradiction of this, the article on the "Beothuk" states:
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The wikipedia on the article on the "Mi'mkaq" states the following:
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Yeah that was me, thanks a bunch for setting that straight! Cheers,
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https://intercontinentalcry.org/anishinabek-outlaw-term-aboriginal/
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and but for the third item related to the language, almost also to
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sourcing requirements to English or French is entirely reasonable.
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A Note on Terminology: Inuit, Métis, First Nations, and Aboriginal
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Unknown-importance Indigenous peoples of the Americas articles
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and others say they are Aboriginal as well as First Nations.
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initial question answered; the rest is banter. Go elsewhere
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format but I don't know the first thing about doing that. -
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The Mi'kmaq are not Native to NFLD, that was the Beothuk.
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the English form (if proven by scholarly reference to be
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Finding additional quotes, since there is still confusion
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Last I checked, Catholicism was a form of Christianity.
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to Eskimo while whinging about "political correctness".
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Used Ethnologue, and reduced the pop. from 40k to 15k.
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If someone wants to try to tell me what the letters in
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during the 2012 Q1 term. Further details are available
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L'nui'sin ki'l Mi'kmaq ? Nikma'jtut apoqnmatultinej !
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I think we should stick with the official spelling.
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Please see 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 5133:late 1800s, and Mi'kmaq is a contemporary use. 4987:, and are posted here for posterity. Following 251:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America 3906:redirect to "Mi'kmaq" by Kwami on July 20 2013 3509:Wait I Will See About That. Just Wait Minute. 3201:(2002) by Malini Johar Schueller, Edward Watts 2299:The Mi'kmaq refs that I've seen only say that 1935:They're talking about literacy, not speaking. 750:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas 5177:and some passages below. Is it good English? 4981:The comment(s) below were originally left at 3918:re-created as dab page by him on the same day 804: 617:of articles within the scope of this project. 174: 5692:Knowledge articles that use Canadian English 3874:moved back to a dab by Kwami on the same day 3603:Yeah, that follows from Catholicism being a 1363:I'm requesting discussion about moving from 282:Indigenous peoples of North America articles 5687:Indigenous peoples of the Americas articles 3187:Stories from the Six Worlds: Micmac Legends 1826:Really? 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You can say they are " 4071:Please do not modify it. 3894:Mi'kmaq (disambiguation) 3799:Please do not modify it. 3670:Please do not modify it. 3472:Please do not modify it. 3460:Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 3206:Quietly My Captain Waits 2148:I didn't say "<q: --> 1424:20:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC) 1353:02:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC) 957:02:11, 19 May 2005 (UTC) 908:16:56, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC) 871:WikiProject Anthropology 5622:B-Class Quebec articles 5090:19:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC) 5075:19:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC) 4972:03:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC) 4569:Grand Council (Mi'kmaq) 4543:) but there is for the 4368:Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami 3377:Hopefully this helps.-- 3371:Encyclopedia Britannica 3365:and online encyclopedia 2737:(see also Brian Swann, 1644:I support the move. -- 1511:History: Mohawk Contact 1416:Ethnic groups talk page 1309:12 October 2009 (UTC) 460:WikiProject Nova Scotia 401:Canada-related articles 4537:Search by First Nation 4360:Canadian Metis Council 4126:The Mi'kmaq are not a 2293:voiced velar fricative 1469:. /html/exposed.html 1159:Factually incorrect. 867:educational assignment 550:Ethnic groups articles 473: 453: 433: 197:This article is rated 75:avoid personal attacks 5434:Geographical presence 5154:Richardson mcphillips 4984:Talk:Mi'kmaq/Comments 4786:sites mentioning it. 3773:Talk:Chipewyan people 3540:Roman Catholic Church 3055:. 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