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1324:) Should be singular i.e. leader. Try rephrasing this sentence: "The shaikh (religious leaders) can seek to buy the agreement through gifts and help to promote the career or threat to ruin the career of these local politicians and leaders." Maybe use threaten instead of threat; sounds a little odd the way it is. Remove 'the' before Senegalese politics - "Marabout very rarely themselves participate directly in the political process. What is more common is to see them exert their influence over their followers and use this in return to gain a larger presence in the Senegalese politics." Punctuation errors - "Although recently Mourides have become more involved in the highest level of politics 716: 695: 1286:
section, "Islam is central to the political sociology of Senegal: the religious elite carry great weight in national politics; political discourse is replete with references and appeals to Islam." could be broken into two sentences to remove the need for colons and semicolons. I'd suggest rewriting it to say "Islam is central to the political sociology of Senegal. The religious elite carry great weight in national politics, and political discourse is replete with references and appeals to Islam." Aside from that, I haven't any other suggestions for improvement. Great work ladies!
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French colonial powers formed a partnership with the Brotherhoods, which allowed for success in agricultural matters. One instance of the Brotherhood's influence in politics is that after the 1950's political parties needed the support of the Mouride Brotherhood for any type of political or electoral success.
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add to both the political and economic sections. Also, some of what you are going to write about might fit better in the section near the top about Mouridism under French colonialism. Be sure to describe how the French and Mouride leaders worked together to spread groundnut cultivation in that part. Good start.
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Hi Prof M. I will be happy to offer any further assistance, and I am glad to hear that here will be some further work on the improvements done. As a teacher myself I realize the constrains of educational setting, but please note that Good Article reviewers expect interaction with the editors involved
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1) Some references are missing an URL. 2) One reference is not formatted: www.worldtrek.org 3) O'Brien and VillalĂłn book references need page ranges. 4) The article has a section on non-inline references (Sources). Non-inline references are not acceptable, the entries there should be moved to Further
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Consider revising this sentence - "The maraboutic and taalibe (a disciple or a marabout or student in a Qur’anic school) relationship Senegal is essentially a relationship of personal dependence." "In a charismatic relationship demonstrations of devotion and abnegation towards the marabouts can only
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and begin with People) people seek the help of marabouts for protection from the evil spirits, to improve one’s status (in terms of career, love or relationship, finances etc), to obtain a cure or remedy for sickness, or even to curse an enemy. Marabouts are believed to have the ability to deal with
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Miriam and Michelle have done an excellent job in writing out their section on Mouride Influence Inside Senegal. The section is very well structured and the information is concise. I did not find any major edits that need to be made to the section however, I can suggest a couple of minor edits which
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Your sections on Mouride political, economic, and cultural influence on Senegal are very well written and thorough. The sentences flow well together and have great clarity. I saw no typos or grammatical errors, and I only have one suggestion for revision. The first sentence in the Cultural Influence
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I did a little bit of rearranging in the Mouride entry. I was thinking, what if you altered it so that there was a section on "Mouride Influence in Senegal", then you had sub-sections "Political Influence" "Cultural Influence" "Economic Influence". I think you would find that you have information to
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And failing due to no activity on the part of the editor(s) asking for the review. It's really not hard to check this page every few days and ask for extension if needed. Asking for a review and abandoning the page is not very respectful of the time volunteer editors put into providing feedback.
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We would suggest to add a section on the Mouride's Brotherhoods influence in Senegalese Politics. It would be beneficial to expand on how the Mouride Brotherhoods influence was able to withstand any political changes placed by French Colonial powers or by current political parties. By WWII the
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requires that the intro provides a summary of the article and does not contain any new information. Current lead fails on both counts, as I see at least one (unreferenced) claim not covered in the aricle (The Mouride make up around 1/6 of the total population in Senegal), and the lead does not
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Hi Piortus, Thank you for all the feedback. My students are working on the article as part of the wiki campus project. They are due back to edit it tomorrow and will make what improvements they can. As our course was focused on politics, they are best equipped to address issues related to the
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in the second line of paragraph reading as "While the political elite finds itself..." should be "dependent". Missing punctuation - "In exchange for political favors, these magicians give political leaders a powerful amulet which is thought to bring advancement for oneself or disaster for
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This is looking very good. You should add to the introduction a one paragraph summary of your section on political, economic influence. Also, I think you need a discussion under the economic part about the Mouride's role in the informal economy which is huge today.
1328:(Change to comma) Abdoulaye Wade who is the current president of Senegal is also a devout Mouride. The day after his election in 2000 (Put comma after 2000) Wade travelled to Touba to seek the blessing of the Grand Marabout, Serigne Saliou Mbacke." 1264:
Also, doesn't Beck talk about the fact that Mouride leaders used to give Ndigels to vote for someone but don't really do it anymore because they didn't want to sacrifice religious authority when people started to wonder about their political advice?
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Consider revising long sentence - "Economic involvement is in fact encouraged by the religious leaders to their disciples through the use of ideology that places great value on the production labor which is performed in the service of God."
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I would like to create articles for the different caliphs and Sufi figures. But I have noticed that the names of all the caliphs and are highly inconsistent. Is there any agreement on how to standardise these spellings?
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Major swathes of unreferenced text are a primary concern here. Not a single footnote in history section. Not a single footnote for leadership. Multiple sentences in latter sections are missing a reference.
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will be editing this article for our Politics of Developing Nations class throughout this semester (til Dec 2011), we will be mainly focusing on the part of the Mouride's influence in Senegalese politics.
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I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to break the section Modern Following into some other sections. Why not, "Political and Economic Importance of Mouride Brotherhood" and "Followings within Mouridism"
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they can choose to make or not - "In order to attain their support in elections, bribes and material incentives were given to marabouts from political parties and potential candidates"
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the spirit world and seek the spirits’ help in things impossible for humans. The spirits’ help is sought since they are thought to be a source of much baraka, or divine grace."
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Two issues need clarification: 1) List of leaders ends at 2010. Who is the current leader? 2) Sects sections suggest more than one exits, but only one (Baye Fall) is discussed.
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This can be rewritten as "In order to attain their support in elections, political parties and potential candidates gave bribes and material incentives to marabouts."
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I believe that sums up the changes. If you have any questions or concerns about my changes and the process behind them please let me know, I'll gladly discuss them.
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sections near the end and will also edit the lead, as well as citations. It may still not meet good article status but should be improved.
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