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understand under Pamir’s landscapes the common denominators that we have seen in the above-mentioned pâ mir. Therefore, it is better to call the area we are studying not Pamir, but the Pamirs (see pp. 18–20). Here, too, Satulowski gives a somewhat different interpretation. For him, pamir does not designate a particular type of landscape but a specific valley, thus called by the Kyrgyz at the end of the nineteenth century that valley through which flows the source of the
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creations, serve as living embodiments of Pamiri cultural identity and resilience. These initiatives not only promote cultural heritage preservation but also provide economic opportunities for Pamiri artisans, fostering a sense of pride and continuity in their cultural practices. The revival of Pamiri cultural traditions contributes to the dynamic and evolving nature of Pamiri culture, ensuring its vitality and relevance in contemporary times.
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mountain range, which accurately describes the character of the Murghâb and its side valleys and is also characteristic of the neighbouring parts of Pamir in the Afghan Wakhân. Another interpretation of this term, just as plausible, by
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Other origins, especially from popular etymology, are possible but not very probable. Thus
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I've been researching this issue for my m.a. thesis on the Pamirs, and I can't find any evidence that the Pamirs extend into
Pakistan or Kyrgyzstan. But it depends: Is the geographical extent of the Pamir Mountains only restricted to areas where there are "Pamirs"? This could have repercussions in in
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You have done a masterful job with the two references. Everything looks perfect now. We have an authoritative reference for the name "Congling" and we also know why they are called "Onion
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These languages not only contribute to the vibrant mosaic of Pamiri cultural heritage but also serve as repositories of traditional knowledge and identity. Each language and dialect carries unique nuances, reflecting the historical migrations, interactions, and adaptations of Pamiri communities over
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However, the word Pamirin the translation we prefer (according to Kreuzmann), cannot strictly speaking be applied to as wide an area as that of the seven or eight Pamirs as they are presented in geographical introductions. The Kyrgyz themselves do not know any one region with the name of Pamir, but
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In the Wakhan Coridor, Pamir River is the boundary between Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Wakhan River Also can be considered as part of Pamir River system. It is certain that Pamirs lie to the north of Pamir River System. If some part of Pamir exists to the south of Pamir River or Wakhan River, then
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In many reports one also finds Bamyar, a Persian compilation of pay-I-mehr, which makes the Pamir into the ‘roof of the world’ (see Dor and Naumann 1978: 24–25). Some authors point to the fact that the Kyrgyz do speak of Pamir as the Roof of the World, using the expression Bam-I-duniah (see Von
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Zandweb, I have reverted your edits again. None of your external sources back up your claims. Also, please do not use Knowledge articles as your sources (by the way, your Knowledge sources failed to back up your claims). Your information may very well be legitimate. But please find sources that
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I am pleased to see a new map which better indicates the position of the Pamirs but, unfortunately, it is very misleading. As one can see, it names the range mountains stretching east of the Pamirs and south of the Taklamakan desert as the Himalayas. This is not so - the main Himalayan range
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Middleton and Thomas, page 520 offer 9 etymologies from Sanskrit, Persian and Turkic without much confidence. Zhang Quan used 'po-mi-lo' and Marco Polo used 'pamir', so the name must be old and local. My uneducated guess is that these are all semi-educated guesses and no one really knows.
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If possible, try to change the main article title to "Roof of the World" (with capital W). Much better than "Roof of the world" (with lower-case w). This may require asking an administrator to delete the existing "Roof of the World" (which is just a redirect) and make room for move.
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I added an explanation for the Chinese name 葱嶺 (Onion mountains) yesterday, but it was removed since the reference I provided is not in English. I think mentioning the name without an explanation (or reference) doesn't make much sense, so I removed it.
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also made an edit in note , inserting the etymology Pam+Ir into the text of the note. Note cites a specific source which gives a totally different etymology for Pamir. The edit therefore contradicts the cited source and is removed accordingly.
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to mean a mountain range rather than a valley. I would guess (without having examined the history of the term in detail) that the expression Pamir Mountains was first use for the mountains around the pamirs, and its use was then
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Pa-i-michr, which in Uzbek (?) means ‘socle of the sun’ – in Afghanistan, in his times, this expression was also used to mean ‘the socle of the sun’ (that is, the ‘socle of Mithra’, the sun-god of the ancient Iranians).
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It looks to me like this needs to be rewritten. Bliss certainly mentions "roof of the world" as a supposed etymology via Persian, although he does not appear to endorse it. Figuring out his sources is a bit difficult
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Please find out the ancient name of Pamir. To me, it seems "Meru" Mountain mentioned in Jain & Buddhist text. Also write name of forest in this range. This will help us find the history of this mountain range.
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I would question whether the Pamirs can really be said to extend to Pakistan. The maps I have consulted describe the mountains between the Wakhan and Pakistan as part of the Hindu Kush, and that is what the
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there is the possibility that Pamirs extend to Pakistan. Pakistan lies south of Wakhan River/Pamir River. If Pamirs don't exist south of these rivers then they also do not exist in Pakistan.
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