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Mironov, of "raiding" Rodina. Rogozin reformed his party as "Rodina: Congress of Russian Communities - a social movement (not a political party), which he maintained indirect control over while abroad… n April of 2012, Rodina was officially re- established as a political party (coincidentally on Rogozin's birthday).” So perhaps Political Position could be: “Far right (current), originally left nationalist" or something similar.
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Russian Party of Regions, The Congress of Russian Communities (led by Dmitry Rogozin), The People's Will Party (led by Sergei Baburin), For a Dignified Life (led by Sergei Glazev), and the United Socialist Party of Russia. Running on a platform that emphasized patriotism, nationalism, and a greater role for the government in the economy and particularly in the natural resources sector, the Rodina bloc took 9% of the vote in 2003. Based on this success, it was decided to merge the bloc into a single political party called the "All-Russian Political Party of Rodina."
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Russian public at large today in the 2010's (chiefly because of its social democratic economic illiberalism and because it isn't far-right). So its actually the label "right wing" that I added that should be put into question and not what you're arguing about (unless you are merely opposed to the source, in which case I can add others). Then an American author wrote a polemic about it and what I can only imagine are his fan base have been inundating this article ever since (which is farcical considering how small the party is and that parties further to the far-right of it in Russian politics don't get the same passionate treatment from English language editors).
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But my contention isn't whether Rodina is/was part of the non-communist left or not. It was its label as a "far-right" party (this week: "far-right" and "third positionist"). If you look at the history of this article prior to 2014 it was defined in the side-header as "left-wing nationalist" - this
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I see with your latest revision those guys are clearly not dark-skinned despite the source claiming they are. I apologize. However, Knowledge still doesn't have a source saying that Rodina was banned, only investigated--so, without pinging you using a reversion, I implemented that relatively small
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The document does not really support the IP editor's claim that Rodina was a left-wing block from 2002-2006. It supports the claim that the block was originally left wing, and changed during 2003. This was partly due to "Dmitri Rogozin, who gradually turned the bloc from a leftist to a
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