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Can't speak much about most of this article, not being Tamil, but I wanted to ask how certain the author was that the origins of both "orange" and "mango" were from Tamil. Malayalam has the same words so it is possible that these words came into the
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Karnataka the second highest. But then, there was another page that claimed Gujarat had the
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I don't think it is correct to say that the vegetarian South Indian diet is a "rich source of" proteins, in fact it is quite the opposite, compared to other diets which include large quantities of dairy, eggs and meat. Rice has half the protein content as wheat (7-8% vs. 15% by calories). The two
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I agree it is a little confusing. My interpretation is that "*kar_-" meaning vegetables is not a separate word root, because it is not listed on the main page; instead one of the words listed under "*kar_-" (which are black and anger) must be the root from which "*kar_-"=vegetables is derived.
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I was partly trying to avoid having to read about things I can't have for dinner. But I can probably manage not to drool on the keyboard. I think what I'll do is add stuff I feel comfortable with (like the
Malaysian reference, and maybe some history) and put the other stuff (like maybe the
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for four years from July 1999 until May 2003, away from home. I still do enjoy Tamil food with family in "that famous chain of restaurants" dotting different parts of
Chennai. Some one should suggest a different word for section Specialities. Further edits / reedits are requested.
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So yes the article is badly skewed towards vegetarianism and is therefore very much out of date. In fact most South
Indians are not vegetarian, and it's not till you get to Northern states such as Gujarat or Rajastan that you begin to see substantial numbers of vegetarians.
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in the article is completely incorrect, even though it cites a book. The correct etymology is burnt/blackened, and refers to the way meat/vegetables were grilled in ancient times. The current meaning of the word is roughly "stir fried". I have posted a detailed etymology
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Campanella from California. Move to references?
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The Bengali argument sounds plausible. I do not know the national average. However, a crude caste-based deduction (sorry for this) based on the forward communities and the backward communities would give a (not a tight) lower bound of 7% per
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Sri Lankan Tamils rarly eat Idly and Dosa, and more frequently eat Puttu and Idiyapam. Also, Kottu Roti is highly popular as a take out amonge immigrant populations in Canada, and Europe.
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