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Can you suggest what specifically these sections should be changed to? The portion of the lede that is the most... advert-esque is the line "According to its web site, As an organization, Truthout works to broaden and diversify the political discussion by introducing independent voices and focusing
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This "entry" is so biased, one can't help but laugh at it. The lede is a press release extolling the unqualified awesomeness of
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Who/Where do we ask to get a review of our intentions? Right now, I'm suggesting that links 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10 of the above list be removed as being unsuitable or redundant. 7 and 8 I don't think are that important, but I don't think they're quite so blatantly violatory so I'll be happy either way.
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Do you think we could get permission to remove the partizan links that just duplicate the CJR story? Since they're all more or less redundant to each other, I think having such abrasive and (in at least one case, ad-riddled) links does the present articel a disservice.
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So, only one that really needs work (The 404), but some others that may be suspect for their really harsh partizanry. If the CJR one contains the same thing as the rest of them it could replace all of them AND be used as a source.
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