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Yes, this article should be re-written to offer a world-wide viewpoint, if possible. Cited scholarly analysis is always preferable to mere quotation of law; we shouldn't aim to provide a directory of vagrancy laws, country by country. Vagrancy laws are a form of social control, and have historical
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There's an undeniable implication here that military service is a sort of punishment, or at least comparable to detainment in a labor camp or a prison. Military service greatly differs from country to country, as well as time to time, and surely it is not apt to list it in such a manner as one of
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Capitalism, Social Movements and Reforms. Changes from the ages in the perspective of the government and the society towards such class.
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