Talk:Woke/Archive 4

1238:: "language policing has reached a near fever pitch, out of a sense that labeling common terms and expressions as 'problematic'—that is, blasphemous—is essential to changing society." The "Prevention, Advocacy & Resource Center" @-brandeis "teaches us to not refer to people as survivors of a traumatic experience because it implies that what they went through is their essence" but-to "describe them as having experienced or been impacted by something bad." "ell someone who has been a victim of racist abuse that they really ought to phrase it as though they have merely experienced it" No. "To be sure, the list specifies that some people may prefer the terms now being battled" "allowing terms such as victim to be used when rhetorically powerful"-- 1134:(First, the following's from his 2016 book): "Why do civilized euphemisms such as disabled so often get reclassified as quaint or even insulting?Why is it so hard to truly accept that there is a 'dialect' called Black English? Why does William Powell in The Thin Man say that he is going to round up all the susPECTS instead of the SUS pects? (I’m sure you’ve always wondered about that!) Why have emoticons caught on to such a degree?This book will answer all those questions. The answers require understanding a mere five ways that language changes. The question is not whether a word will undergo one or more of these processes, but which ones of them it will go through. 2373:.. concern has been transferred from the sexual and scatological to the sociological .. Generation X grew up when overt racist attitudes came to be ridiculed and socially punished in general society. Racism continued to exist in endless manifestations. However, it became complicated — something to hide, to dissemble about and, among at least an enlightened cohort, something to check oneself for and call out in others, to a degree unknown in perhaps any society until then. .. For Americans of this postcountercultural cohort, the pox on matters of God and the body seemed quaint beyond discussion, while a pox on matters of slurring groups seemed urgent beyond discussion. 1221:- Upon realizing that their Twitter feed is not their country, many solipsists will withdraw, transferring their allegiance from the real country that has betrayed them to the artificial one that respects and affirms their every idiosyncrasy. Others will react with anger, grimly determined to transform their country into their Twitter feed—and do so by any means necessary. The latter will, at the same time, impose ever more stringent loyalty oaths on their Twitter feed, creating a 'turbocharged tribalism,' in Ms. Lewis’s phrase, where the 'stridency of highly polarized voices online…has a chilling effect on less engaged and less confident tweeters.' -- 1418:

political progressiveness by the left, and as a denigration of leftist culture by the right.n culture and politics today, the most prominent uses of 'woke' are as a pejorative — Republicans attacking Democrats, more centrist Democrats attacking more liberal ones and supporters of the British monarchy using the term to criticize people more sympathetic to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.Some people say being woke is a sign of awareness to social issues, others whip out the term as an insult It has become a common term of derision among some who oppose the movements it is associated with, or believe the issues are exaggerated.

756:: ".. Democrats, if they want to protect their fragile majority, must be doubly careful not to hand their adversaries ever more powerful weapons." Quoting andrew sullivan (although labeled somewhat libertarian, a biden voter/early obama booster): "Look how far the left’s war on liberalism has gone. Due process? If you’re a male on campus, gone. Privacy? Stripped away — by anonymous rape accusations, exposure of private emails, violence against people’s private homes, screaming at folks in restaurants, sordid exposés of sexual encounters, eagerly published by woke mags. .. " 107:- "Etymological note: Woke, a verb form being used as an adjective, is hard to translate. It might normally be somewhat inadequately rendered as réveiller (to wake up) or réveillé (woken up), or the verb éclairer might be useful, but these miss the African-American cadence. Fortunately for translators, and in a final insult to the language police of the Académie française, the American word has been adopted (appropriated?) here and is now being used in everyday speech and on magazine covers. Woke has become, in the blink of an eye, as French as un hot-dog or le weekend." 1858:"ow has the conversation on race in America gone so crazy? We’re told read books and listen to music by people of color but that wearing certain clothes is 'appropriation.' We hear that being white automatically gives you privilege and that being Black makes you a victim. We want to speak up but fear we'll be seen as unwoke, or worse, labeled a racist. According to John McWhorter, the problem is that a well-meaning but pernicious form of antiracism has become, not a progressive ideology, but a religion—and one that's illogical, unreachable, and unintentionally neoracist" 1163:"white kids sound a little Blacker in casual speech than their parents .. 'Stay woke' on white people's T-shirts is a sign of coming together. .. A white college friend, very much of the left, usedwith a quiet sprinkle of irony, but sincerelya certain complex of leftist beliefsobviously the proper ones for any reasonable person to have .. The result will be resistance .. 'Woke' has just undergone the same processhow we got from 'politically correct' to 'wokethe path from 'crippled' to 'handicapped' to 'disabled' to 'differently abled.'" 1271:: "To be woke is to wake up to the truth — the blinding truth that liberal society doesn’t exist, that everything is a form of oppression or resistance, and that there is no third option. You are either with us or you are to be cast into darkness." "The puritanical streak of shaming and stigmatizing and threatening runs deep.The new orthodoxy — what the writer Wesley Yang has described as the 'successor ideology' to liberalism — seems to be rooted in what journalist Wesley Lowery calls 'moral clarity.' He told 1204:- "after 1934, when censorship seriously came into effect, more imaginative people made better movies and still scored at the box office. Censorship can cripple, inhibit, and destroy, but, in forcing artists to invent, it can liberate ./. Thomas Doherty insists that the Lord-Quigley document—which became the Hays Code—was not 'a grunted jeremiad from bluenose fussbudgets, but a polished treatise representing long and deep thought in aesthetics, education, communication theory, and moral philosophy.'" -- 2302:"spent nearly a decade writing foryet calls himself 'a cranky liberal Democrat.' His career upends the portrait of the moderate as a humdrum, fence-sitting mix of liberal and conservative. .. his viewsinspire the question: What is it like to be a Black moderate in America's culture of partisan extremes? .. Steven Pinker .. describes him as 'America’s foremost popular explainer and commentator on language.' And if McWhorter’s work has a through line, it might be language's constant evolution. .. 1259:"BothWeiss andSullivan are frequent critics of the modern left’s position on identity issues; in their departure letters, they both describe their publications as in thrall to a rising tide of left-wing censorship sweeping the country’s media.Abstract appeals to 'free speech' and 'liberal values' obscure the fact that what’s being debated is not anyone’s right to speech, but rather their right to air that speech in specific platforms like the New York Times without fear of social backlash." 31: 1724:- ".. When viewers encounter ideologically-confirmatory information, they are less likely to validate it (Edgerly et al., 2020; Edgerly & Vraga, 2020), and when they encounter ideologically-disconfirmatory information, they are more likely to respond by doubling down on ideologically polarized beliefs and doubting the credibility of the message’s source (Anderson & Auxier, 2020; Feldman et al., 2020; Levendusky, 2013; Slothuus & de Vreese, 2010; Taber & Lodge, 2006)." 3590:"To opponents of the social aims of such movements, however, it has become a catch-all term for a certain type of socially liberal ideology they dislikeost Britons (59%) don’t know what 'woke' means, half of whom (30%) have never heard the term being used Of those who say they know what woke is(29%) consider themselves to be woke, while more than half (56%) do not. One in four consider being woke to be a good thing (26%), while slightly more than a third (37%) think it a bad thing." 1732:

its effect (as felt in my gut!) profoundly illustrates the very kernel of the problem at hand. Which is -- when the boots hit the ground, so to speak -- an apologist for soft totalitarianism question whether ms. applebaum fabricates her quotes of mcwhorter and of such of her other interviewees or not ...... Whereas, it was ms applebaum who'd made her name as a historical researcher by documenting the subtle ins and outs of its real mccoy of its hard variety: 19jun2020NewYorker: "he

1168:"omething 'problematic'in modern usage so often implies not just that something is abstractly a problem but also that it ought to be classified as inconsonant with civilized sensibility and cordoned off from it in some way. Especially on the left, 'problematic' is being drawn onto the treadmill to step away from the stodgy, menacing, backward associations that the word 'censorship' has taken on, while engaging in what many would treat as the same project." 1291:: "'When a high-status individual does something,' Storr writes, 'our subconscious copy-flatter-conformprogramming is triggered and we allow them to alter our beliefs and behaviour… We mimic not just their behaviour but their beliefs. The better we believe, the higher we rise. And so faith, not truth, is incentivised. People will believe almost anything if high-status people – whether priests, generals, actors, musicians, TikTokkers – suggest them.'" 846:

arguments' consideration. Each instance of this is called opinion. 2ndary sources making note of these opinions confer on them so-called notability. If certain editors here believe criticisms of woke socially unacceptable, sure, such prominence given on WP to the designation of all instances of the same as "perjorative" at least makes sense, in that light. But, not from the standpoint of our guidelines which emphasize absolutely stringent

2074:: "Applebaum, an American journalist who lives mostly in Poland, has earned accolades (including a Pulitzer Prize) for prodigiously researched popular histories of the Cold War, the Gulag and Stalin’s forced famine in Ukraine." So, per Keller, at least, a historian like Applebaum can also perform journalism. Delving a bit into such a phenomenon's possible ins and outs, I happened across a Warren Bovée 1325:: 'To call a spade a spade" entered the English language when Nicholas Udall translated Erasmus in 1542.'Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that 'to call a spade a spade' should be retired from modern usage: 'Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together.'" -- 3170:- "Labeling the target of racism as aggressive, bullying, intimidating, or incompetent, especially if they are quite clearly none of the above, is commonplace and, unfortunately, quite effective. Like many a dog whistle, it is heard and understood by the right ears.These very admirable qualities that should have made Meghan an amazing addition to the royal family instead left her dismissed as a 2497: 2511: 2095:"As events discussed by historians creep closer and closer to the present, a temptation tags along to apply historical knowledge to the solutions of contemporary problems. If historians give way to this temptation, however, they edge into the domain of journalists. But journalists also face their own temptation. They may fall short of the practical goal that is their reason for being." 1996:"Heretics make the best writers. They understand a movement better than outsiders, and can relate its faults because they have seen them close up. Religions can tolerate pagans. They are mere unbelievers who have never known the way, the truth and the light. The heretic has the advantages of the inside trader. She can use her knowledge to expose and betray the faithful." 2356:

the Atlantic in favor of revising the definition of racism to include societal racial disparities such as unequal access to health care or super-markets, 'because it is indisputable that racial disparities stem from bias-infused barriers.' He reminds us that .. the more complex definition is 'shared by legions of people, especially educated ones, across our nation'" --

2103:: "What is the interaction of political ideas with people’s lives? And how do people manipulate and use ideas to shape reality, for better or for worse? That theme is the same in everything I’ve written." Per Bovée, at least, I dunno if this is more purely history or journalism. (Maybe it would depend on the context: book-length Pulitzer-winning 1562:, with the only lens, allowed in our tertiary coverage, one superficially aligned with the false dichotomy ofObjectivity versusPartisanry: the Orwellian sieve by which this article's become skewed such that wokeness cannot be associated with self-censorship unless such criticism is tarred with a partisan-political brush of "on the Right wing".-- 997:– I quite agree with this approach. However, none of the quoted pieces are "disinterested". They each have a point of view to advance. That's the whole purpose of opinion essays. The third essay hardly mentions "woke(ness)" at all; Sullivan's use of the term is basically a throwaway which the author, Edsall, does not bother to elaborate upon. -- 2960:".. While that old political awakening is more of a call to stand up and go to war, the new 'woke' is more of an individual quality, a kind of X-ray glasses that allow you to observe the injustice and inequality in every situation, however subtle. That can then be denounced and avenged. In that sense, 'woke' is strongly linked to —: --> 3532:

won't argue the point & maybe YouGov's results via whatever its metaphorical Magic 8-Ball can thus be thrown out. This still leaves us with those (that coincidentally seem to align with YouGov's) by Ipsos/Kingscollegelondon wherein pro-/anti-"woke" sentiments, among those aware of the term, roughly approximate a coin toss

1187:- "A far more insidious ideology — if it can be called an ideology — is extending a deadening grip not only over the educational system, but over our whole cultural life, and this time especially in the English-speaking world whose attachment to intellectual freedom has proved feeble. We tend to call it 'wokeness' " -- 2492:"Here are two paragraphs showing more complex examples of editorial synthesis. They are based on an actual Knowledge article about a dispute between two authors, here called Smith and Jones. This first paragraph is fine, because each of the sentences is carefully sourced, using a source that refers to the same dispute: 2311:.. describe McWhorter’s views as 'an arguably radical middle perspective.' As for calling himself 'a cranky liberal Democrat,' McWhorter says, 'I will take issue with things that don’t seem to make logical sense to me even if they go against the orthodoxy of the side that I consider myself to formally belong to.'" 3469:- "'woke' politics is reference to what we might otherwise call identity liberalism/'the great awokening' debate in US e.g. see Atlantic on 'woke capitalism', Pres Obama on 'woke stuff'"identity liberalism/'the great awokening' debate in US e.g. see Atlantic on 'woke capitalism', Pres Obama on 'woke stuff'." 1827:) how it's the modulated style of the Puritans' less-than-PURE-"'TOTAL'itarianism" that was partially embryonic -- (and we'll include, as well, the Puritans' promotion of liberal-arts education -- think: Harvard/Yale/Dartmouth) of American-culture's development of Liberalism. And: What's gonna happen with 908:" seems a bit much. Rather than its reading, "the Right", blah blah blah, "the Right," blah blah blah, "the Right"), when unbiased & full-spectrum reportage includes a slew of other criticisms, at minimum, the section should include, by way of balance, such reportages as by journalist-&-historian 166:"may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because blogs may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process. If a news organization publishes an opinion piece in a blog, attribute the statement to the writer, e.g. 'Jane Smith wrote ...'" 3531:

Okie doke, I'll take your "blah blah blah PowerPoint" as indicative you've got a beef with YouGov's UK public opinion-polling methodology, from earlier this year, despite the university of kent's professor of politics' enthusiasm in its regard, but which you don't want to go into detail about here. I

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Applebaum's essay uses the word "woke" a total of three times, and none of them clearly describe what she's talking about. Applebaum clearly objects to "modern mob justice" but it is not at all clear that Applebaum wishes to paint with such a broad brush as to describe "woke" in this manner. In fact,

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Whether some journalist is left, right, or center, their piece's reaching a conclusion contra an idealized homogeneity as extolled in-the-long-march-to-wokeness does NOT negate its journalism. That Anne Applebaum is a critic of wokeness is very easy to ascertain. Quoting her book (from 2 pull-outs in

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is an important consideration, I'll even reveal to you that your statement just made with concern to ms. applebaum actually caused me slight naseau. And, this I promise you and I'm not saying this just for effect. Whatever your professed rationales for the sieve employed in this present circumstance,

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movement, which I recall as having being quite popular in the 60s/70s. Fromthe bluelinked wikiarticle's criticism section: "Encounter groups are also controversial because of scientific claims that they can cause serious and lasting psychological damage. One 1971 study found that 9% of normal college

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Machine translation: "This was obviously contributed to by the fact that the profstood up for his principles in a series of television debates, while he clashed several times with activists of the American 'woke' movement, for which the so-called alt-right, i.e. the American alternative right, tried

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left. Addressing how McWhorter has himself come under fire, Pinker .. says, 'The fact that he is an independent thinker and a rejecter of all ideologies, doctrines, dogmas and party lines has led to occasional labeling as a political conservative, but this is lazy pigeonholing ..' penned an essay in

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Worse, if we drive all of the difficult people, the demanding people, and the eccentric people away from the creative professions where they used to thrive, we will become a flatter, duller, less interesting society, a place where manuscripts sit in drawers for fear of arbitrary judgments. The arts,

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Among conservatives, 'woke' has been adopted as term of derision for those who hold progressive social justice views.In the six years since Brown’s death, 'woke' has evolved into a single-word summation of leftist political ideology This framing of 'woke' is bipartisan: It’s used as a shorthand for

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I do think we should describe the non-right critique of 'woke' clearly, drawing on secondary or tertiary sources. Have you come across any? You also appear to be manufacturing a straw man version of Sangdebouef's argument to suggest that they shouldn't participate in this discussion; Sangdebouef did

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I'm in sympathize with duranty here, feeling certain his sieve was sincerely arrived at/applied. Didn't help, his squinting at jones's reporting, even though it was jones who'd been over the ground, even though the latter's conclusions were unfortunate to end up at odds with the former's altruistic

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This said, per the breadth and quality of each of their respective one-time expressed opinions' sourcings, they're notable. And, at least per my editorial sense, Abbey's oft-expressed argument -- that incidentally is in longer form than either Trump's or Obama's opinion, as well -- per the breadth

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About when R.-wing - "Even when she was young, you could see the signs of the inquiring spirit that has made her a great historian. She went to work as a freelance journalist in eastern Europe while it was still under Soviet occupation and too drab and secretive a posting for most young reporters.

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in them via favoring only non-disparaging analyses, whereas good-faith perusals of wp's guidelines en toto would entail screwing obvious skews. You know, denial is more than a river in egypt and willfully ignoring wikipedia:Balance's imperative about "describing opposing views clearly, drawing on

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Following remarks by chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley in June, in which Milley defended the idea of teaching critical race theory at U.S. military academies, former U.S. President Donald Trump said at a political rally in Ohio that military leaders were becoming too 'woke', later

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This is the literal definition of prohibited synthesis - you cannot take two sources which say two different things and combine them to create something which neither of them says directly. That Applebaum doesn't say what you apparently wish she had said is not something you can fix by appeals to

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The NewYorker: "It wasDuranty who, in brushing offJones's account of the atrocities, blithely explained to Times readers, 'You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs'—one of the most shameful phrases in the history of the newspaper. The eggs were human beings. //P// "This determination not to

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It's not unbiased editors' job to decide whether Woke or anti-Woke sensibilities/outrage are manufactured or legit and Sangdeboeuf's appearance to think it is might reasonably indicate hi/r not belonging on this page. See Knowledge:Impartial: "Knowledge describes disputes." The article at present

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easy and useful for some people to put them into larger narratives. Partisans, especially on the right, now toss around the phrase cancel culture when they want to defend themselves from criticism, however legitimate. But dig into the story of anyone who has been a genuine victim of modern mob

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from nytimes review: "I loved 'Words on the Move,' but it’s possible I am suffering from Stockholm syndrome. I keep saying to people who aren’t particularly interested, 'Let me list the five ways that new words are — and always have been — created out of old ones. First we must consider modal

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The editor seems to be hovering over the article: eg I just tried to make a subhead refer to "disparagement" instead of "pejorative" & the claim was made that WP must rely solely on sources that so label it. Come on. Academic inquiry requires that varying viewpoints' airings, pro and con

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While I certainly think that using subject-matter experts should take primacy, there is value in including a selection of quotations and points by opinion commentators because they reflect how the term "woke" is being used. We are nowhere near reaching a point where the article is breaching

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such criticism makes it seem WP -- instead of our following the form: So-and-so argues thus; so-and-so argues thus -- endorse solely "So and so argues thus" but without rejoinder, criticism thereof inferred as socially unacceptable. Per my editorial senses -- and my voice counts -- is that

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students participating in an encounter group developed psychological problems lasting at least six months after their experience." But, things worked out; over the decades, lots of methodologic tweaks became insttituted various types of group therapy -- and the world's progressed on. Fine.

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In summary, the bottom line is: Since the preponderance of sourcing associates illiberal woke mobocracry (substitute positive-spin terminology for the phenomenon, if desired) not at all with the center and even with the center-left but only with more extremes of the left, yet our article

3397:- "Public Split on Whether 'Woke' Is Compliment or InsultDespite Huge Surge in Media Coverage" - UK public are as likely to think being “woke” is a compliment (26%) as they are to think it’s an insult (24%) – and are in fact most likely to say they don’t know what it means (38%) 831:

not suggest that it's our "job to decide whether Woke or anti-Woke sensibilities/outrage are manufactured or legit". In fact, in suggesting that we look for secondary source coverage of the view, they are pushing us toward exactly the procedure to avoid making such a decision.

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the humanities, and the media will become stiff, predictable, and mediocre. Democratic principles like the rule of law, the right to self-defense, the right to a just trial—even the right to be forgiven—will wither. There will be nothing to do but sit back and wait for the

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who are not using the term to "denigrate" people because they are campaigning against bigotry but because they do not believe that "Woke" tactics will succeed in bringing major advances for marginalized groups but instead above all promote stifling political correctness.

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Thank you for agreeing. Thus, in that the preponderance of sourcing associates illiberal woke mobocracry with more extremes of the left, the section should be edited to reflect this (inasmuch as, at present, the section reads as thoughcriticism of woke is only of the

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you will often find not an obvious argument between “woke” and “anti-woke” perspectives but rather incidents that are interpreted, described, or remembered by different people in different ways, even leaving aside whatever political or intellectual issue might be at

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Well, fwiw, maybe if you'd switch YouGov for Luntz this would enable you to follow Goodwin's expert political analysis. Inasmuch as polling is either good or bad at its being polling (and that the numbers put out by this guy whose polling Goodwin respects &

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It seems you may be blinded by your own belief system. Sullivan's/Weiss's/Lindsay's/McWhorter's position is not in the fringe of liberalism but in its mainstream. Thought experiment. Can you show me one -- I'm not asking for two, not for a raft of them -- just

735:- Woke or not, the culture wars make hypocrites of us all: Whether it's woke puritanism or anti-woke cynicism, participation in the culture war is also a guarantee of hypocrisy and bad faith. That's because nobody can live up to the standards they set for others 2306:

ranks him as one of 'the top two or three public linguists in the world,'[: 'John’s original and unorthodox ideas about race and politics led linguists (so many of whom are left-wing liberals) to see him as too conservative,' .. American political theorist

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is to discuss it with them politely at their user talk page. As far as this article is concerned, I think the sources are better summarized by pejorative/derision than disapproval. Your edit made some other improvements that I intend to restore, so thanks.

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That style guidance seems odd to me, but if it is applied to this article it should surely be applied consistently. There are numerous examples in the article of using the word "woke", with inverted commas, rather than italics. How is that justified?

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politician-from-Mar-A-Lago; however, 2011 has been pivotal concerning the rise of woke (I'll refer to an economist's opinion at the bottom of this thread, be patient(*)) & I prognosticate that not only the clown's but also Obama's opinion about

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of writing with the assumed or professed objective of helpings readers -- via communication of pertinent and accurate information -- to make good decision about what must be done or avoided concerning whatever issue or issues of the day; with the

1741:, a 2017 book by Anne Applebaum, who demonstrates that starvation was a deliberate policy, enforced by Stalin through the requisition of crops and other products and the widespread persecution, deportation, or even execution of the non-compliant." 234:

So in short this is saying that the term "Woke" is a serious offensive term that is against those going against bigotry. This is completely biased. It does not mention that there are progressives and liberals including popular media figures like

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Context: Three months ago up until two days ago, Neil was founding chairman/lead presenter at a UK news-media venue (Neil had originally understood "wouldn't be a British Fox Newsdealin untruthsconspiracy theories andfake news.") Bloomberg's

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Although I note here on Talk that the distinguished scholar of language sees (Geez, how could anyone not!) the word's semantic shift, the fact of historian/journo Applebaum uses the shorthand term with the same meaning as he analyzes for it

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the famine that befell Ukraine in the years 1932-33. Current scholarship estimates that just under four million people died. They did not pass away from natural causes. The best and the most detailed English-language study of the subject is

3277:"Former President Barack Obama made a rare foray into the cultural conversation this week, objecting to the prevalence of 'call-out culture' and 'wokeness' during an interview about youth activism at the Obama Foundation summit on Tuesday." 1744:

As mentioned, I believe the most straightforward way to determine sieves' rationales is examination of patterns that might uniformity show up in their effects. Yours is to find without fail, when criticism of woke results from an analysis,

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And, this, via "meaning creep, by analogy with the term mission creep—bit by bit, new shades creep into what we consider the meaning of something to be, until one day the meaning has moved so far from the original one that it seems almost

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2013-2020/formerly its chief political commentator/now a director of the Times Newspapers board) from this morning: "Anti-Woke TV: Media upstartshave a rough road ahead" "new Secretary of State, Nadine Dorriesis an 'anti-woke' warrior"

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respective sexual organ for a person-perceived-of-as-overbearing of one/another gender...suffix -tard; British; n-word,; boy in reference to a man; blah blah blah: which are allsocially unacceptable. (Or, if ever borderline acceptable,

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saying, 'You know what woke means, it means you’re a loser' and 'Everything woke turns to shit' at a rally in Alabama. Trump later told Fox News that the administration of president Joe Biden was 'destroying' the country 'with woke'."

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Whoever placed the by whom tag there didn’t bother to investigate citation 23 just before the “has been cited” claim. Someone should put another citation tag to the same article cited by tag 23 right after the claim so this is clear.

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Look at this part of the intro text I am quoting here: "for some progressive political activists it is now considered an offensive term used to denigrate those campaigning against racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination".

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And, I don't think anybody is automatically immune from this, me, you, anybody. Nonetheless, I believe your editing on this page suffers because you're apparently unaware of a certain blind spot, due the foregoing. In fact, if my

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Machine translation: "'vokeism' (from 'woke' - 'awakened', that is, looking at the world through the prism of actual and alleged social and racial inequalities)." Another uses in the article: "a consequence of the 'leftist voke

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I disagree that the article implies that any critique of "woke(ness)" is impolitely censorious, and the article does summarize criticism of the term's use that is not pejorative: We quote several sources critiquing the term's

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State governments registered Indian babies race as Black on their birth record to lower the state's Indian race population. No Indian was allowed inside any city after dark or they could be lynched or imprisoned for life.

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Talkpage commentary does not equate to inept article-space description of this shifted meaning by McWhorter, Applebaum, or the-foreign-language-sources-within-a-Talkpage-thread-above, etc. See this quote from wp:SYNTH):

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Because none of these sources say anything about Applebaum's (or McWhorter's, or any journalist's) political leanings vis-a-vis their view on "woke(ness)", whatever it is. Any such inference made in article text would be

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43% of voters don't know what the term 'culture wars' means. And 50% said they have not heard much about the term 'woke' (30% hadn’t heard of it at all), and of those who do, about half think it is something to be proud

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is meer een individuele eigenschap, een soort röntgenbril waarmee je in elke situatie het onrecht en de ongelijkheid kunt waarnemen, hoe subtiel ook. Dat kan dan aan de kaak gesteld worden en gewroken. In die zin is

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The common sense solution would be to remove the italics - which, whatever the guidance might say, seem bizarre - rather than changing the inverted commas. Italics are normally used for works of art, not words.

1031:"However, anthropological reality is that today, slurs have become our profanity: repellent to our senses, rendering even words that sound like them suspicious and eliciting not only censure but also punishment." 479:

McWhorter is an actual subject-matter expert (in linguistics). Why is the focus on some random op-ed columnist, while McWhorter is seemingly only cited as an afterthought or to bolster said columnist's argument?

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The present zeitgeist & tumult was inevitable, with the rise of the Nones and all. Me? Close to a None but self-identifying as philosophically Buddhist and with, as I said, on a zero-to-ten scale of

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Smith stated that Jones committed plagiarism by copying references from another author's book. Jones responded that it is acceptable scholarly practice to use other people's books to find new references.

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If Jones did not consult the original sources, this would be contrary to the practice recommended in the Harvard Writing with Sources manual, which requires citation of the source actually consulted.

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secondary or tertiary sources that describe the disagreement from a disinterested viewpoint" and its corollaries throughout the guidelines doesn't enable truthful claims of unawareness such exist.--

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editing, even though -- in that neither the Trump nor the Obama material deleted was authored by me, meaning thus far you're out!voted -- I'm not reverting you per wp:BRD, anyway. <shrugs: -->

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Transl.: "Antiwoke critics often hardly bother to define concepts like cancel culture or censorship .. those who do not adhere to the inscrutable lexicon of the 'wokies' are simply eliminated."

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in her lament -- even as this is nuanced by implied acknowledgments that the rising tide as fueling the described "mobbing" concerns resentfulness about very-real social inequalities, et cetera

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Btw, Cowen believes that, probably ultimately for more good than ill, certain impetuses of the movement is here to stay (as a "feminized" 21st-century viral variant of "U.S. triumphalism").

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about something along the lines that types-of-overenthusiasm-he-didn't-specify maybe could be counterproductive; and, equally expectedly, the man from Mira Lago's mouthing a phrase that's

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ferment is it's eventually gonna be looked back upon with nostalgia and celebrated -- another name's being attached to it; see: John McWhorter -- by analogy with Americans' talking about

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in the early 1990s. The dilettante style of English conservatism charmed her. 'These people don't take themselves seriously and could never do serious harm,' she thought, as she watched

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The mob justice Applebaum laments is shorthanded by the term (not in its earlier meaning of awareness but in this shifted meaning). I'll return with pertinent applebaum 'cites.'--

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The Harvard manual does not call violating this rule "plagiarism". Instead, plagiarism is defined as using a source's information, ideas, words, or structure without citing them.

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You seem to be slightly more active in removing content that doesn't fit into a narrative of Conservatives' criticizing Woke. Was content concerning (per the nytimes's coverage

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Now private citizens Obama & Trump -- both at least with proven bonafides, as far as practical politicking goes -- each made one-time statements of off-hand opinion about

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What seems odd and unexpected to me is not so much the variation of use within the article, as its use in the article title. The article is, now, only partly about the word

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per se, around Thanksgiving time: liberal institutions by then having found some aggregate means to mute the ideologies' otherwise inherent insistence on utmost conformity.

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has appeared in print in French media, so Jonathan's etymological observation here (an expat-Briton and observer of French culture, who, somewhat interestingly – per

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So, barring further-&-applicable objections, that is, I'll try to fashion an acceptable edit in reference to the gist of the Ipsos results sometime soon. :~) --

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writing that's done with the allegedly broader objective of providing understanding of event(s) -- its/their particulars of interest/whys/hows -- for its own sake.

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By the time, per the citations above, of Abbey's assertion on BBC One, he had published already in high profile media multiple times his pov that use of the word

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Woke "theallage" has racially excluded the HOLOCAUST against American Indians. They were the first humans inslaved under what became the United States of America.

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Before during and after the US Civil War the Federal Government continued it's Holocaust against American Indians with it's Manafest Destenie Holocaust campaign.

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Then it should be easy to cite a mainstream, secondary or tertiary source saying so. An essay or blog post where an author states their views is by definition a

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inmiddels een scheldwoord voor bevoorrechte, progressieve witte luitjes die in een smetvrije cocon van politieke correctheid leven en met elkaar wedijveren in

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et al...but, that said, there are certain troubling aspects of this societal fervor as well. I personally analogize them to certain criticisms leveled at the

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section-in-question tends to elide this, the false impression is created that criticism of this illiberal phenomenon is a feature principally of the right.--

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as a term originally coined by leftists but then adopted by their right-wing rivals; this comparison was also made by American linguist and social critic

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in politics, civil rights, or the English language. Most are simply pundits whose careers depend on their ability to deliver spicy takes, resulting in

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of current controversies. I think this material should be pared down subtantially, at least by getting rid of the opinions that aren't mentioned in a

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Racism in the United States began in the northern state of massachuseis against American Indians with it's law, The American Indian Imprisonment Act.

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concerns that are important for thinkers to address. Even though I think that a whole lot of insights can be drawn from many conclusions reached by

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is an amateur website, not a professional fact-checking organization. Are you arguing that NBC News is somehow too biased to be used to evaluate

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right wing, as well as the kneejerk deletion when nuance is attempted to be brought to WP's overgeneralization of this sobriquet in questioned.--

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Transl.: "'I'm getting tired of all this woke stuff. Men can also stand up for women's rights.' Conner Rousseau converts to the anti-woke camp"

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justice and you will often find not an obvious argument between “woke” and “anti-woke” perspectives but rather incidents that are interpreted

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And how's that going to happen? Listening to those harmed by the ideology's at-present excess. Thus "zero" criticism of wokeness is really

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for statements of fact unless the author is a recognized authority on the topic. What makes Nels Abbey a recognized authority here? --

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McWhorter believes "words referring to issues societal or controversial .. will often need replacement about once a generation." More:

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The process by which gains of wokeness are made sure in great measure will be catalyzed by allowing to hear and consider cases -- as

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Looking for answers to how calling a trough, a trough* has become untenable <Despite the usual phrase's Classical provenance it's

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This article is about the word "woke" itself, not whatever thing Obama or Trump were referring to as "woke". Once again, we have a

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The mob justice Applebaum laments is shorthanded by the term (not in its earlier meaning of awareness but in this shifted meaning).

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always a matter of "woke" vs. "not woke"? That's the extent of her discussion of woke(ness); to imply anything else would be clear

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UK woke-v-nonwoke divide's bigger than its north-v-south/cities-v-rural/women-v-men & young-v-old; %age of britons favoring:

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mozgalom aktivistáival, amiért aztán az ún. alt-right, vagyis az amerikai alternatív jobboldal próbált belőle hőst csinálni."

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about woke's semantic shift, pos to neg, along with this latter's meaning's involving a close association with new regimes of

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to change that article. Your opinion (and mine for that matter) are irrelevant. Knowledge reports what reliable sources say.

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Applebaum's piece is not "reporting", as I've already explained. What would we even include? That social-media ostracism is

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Is there any good reason why the word "woke" is italicised in the title, and the opening text? This seems to contravene

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on this page, I don't think the Steve Rose column is a useful source, and I would be fine with removing it entirely. --

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I'll be referencing Applebaum and McWhorter as "centrists" in text contributed to our article's (ersatz) criticsms-of-

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That law was still on state law books till 2004, it was the blueprint for Jim Crow Laws across the United States.

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critiquing what the term represents. What McWhorter or anybody else says about unrelated topics is irrelevant. --

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Nels Abbey: "Writer, satirist, co-founder of the Black Writers Guild and author of 'Think Like a White Man.'"

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To support an article about a particular term or concept, we must cite what reliable secondary sources say

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Sullivan's/Weiss's/Lindsay's/McWhorter's position is not in the fringe of liberalism but in its mainstream.

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seems to be a good umbrella term for the purported "phenomenon". I disagree that the article isn't mainly

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Hence, per Knowledge-approved reporting, the triad of liberal linguists & thinkers mcwhorter, pinker

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to its use as a slur implies any such critique must be thought impolitely censorious. (McWhorter in the

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published an article arguing that those of us who criticize woke culture should shrug our shoulders."

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American Indian imprisonment Act reference. Click on Laws against Indians www.UnitedNativeAmerica.com

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are beside the point, as are everyone else's who hasn't been cited in a published, reliable source.

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like McWhorter (vis-a-vis politics, not language), Sullivan, Weiss, James Lindsay, et al., are not

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Our article's chosen lens is linguistic. But it falls short of detailing the term's semantic shift.

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media columnist Ben Smith this week that journalism needs to be rebuilt around that moral clarity."

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labeled "THE G.O.P.'S NATE SILVERRenowned pollster Frank Luntz" are similar to YouGov's, from May

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Stakes of the current culture wars pale in comparison with the 1930s', I'd guess; however, there

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know, or to look away when the facts admonish our beliefs, is among our most durable frailties."

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primarily consists of opinion pieces and these should be judged by WP:RSOPINION and WP:NEWSBLOG.

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Which is pretty d*mn good, for a frame-of-mind indicating an immediate need for change, IMHO!

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as well as news stories where the term or concept of "woke(ness)" isn't the main topic. --

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The nytimes's Keller felt it informative to include (in his review) how it is that she'd

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Commentary about alleged bias in selection/usage of this article-section's sourcing --

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goes «woke», a conservative medium commits suicide' Recently, the cultural editor of

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No coverage given non-Right critics seeing Woke activism as a new Puritanism( &c)

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that you included in your comment. This has nothing to do with any YouGov poll. --

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writes that the political right has "weaponised" the term woke; he compares it to

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in the political middle but only on the left extreme is an< takes a beat : -->

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in choosing which writers represent how we think it is being used. It also lends

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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We shouldn't make readers scour the references just to know who said what. See

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for improving the article, then this thread is a waste of everyone's time. --

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The use of the term by opponents of perceived wokeness is best summed up as "

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Nonetheless, it is sad how such an editing regime dummies the article down.)

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I've brought to Talk in threads above some instances where the English word

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is not the same as being a recognized expert. I've removed the citation as

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zich ontwikkelde van een term uit de strijd tegen racisme tot scheldwoord"

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As has been explained many times on this page already, opinion pieces are

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Looking with of approval on"even-handed" journalism while squinting at

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What shift? I haven't read McWhorter's book, but the 1st graf of its

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rhetoric intended to support a specific position by forthright claims

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I appreciate your wp:BOLD deletion, including material quoting the

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article; the use of "woke" here doesn't seem all that relevant. --

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of this progressive/more-liberalistic transformation's happening.

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This second paragraph demonstrates improper editorial synthesis:

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of Ukrainian victimization by iron-fisted collectivization vs.

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Nick Cohen to include the information, as well, of her having

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I don't believe anyone has tried to justify it. But there's

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to non-expert sources. A perfect example is this sentence:

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I'm game. You're not unaware that NBC News's (hattip, the

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Call a Spade a Spade: From Classical Phrase to Racial Slur

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she goes out of her way to create a nuanced picture -

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prism's allowed reflection on the pages of Knowledge!

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In September 2021, Writer Nels Abbey likened use of

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does not apply to talk pages, but unless there is a

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She then made a standard career move and joined the

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website) ideological bias trends toward the "Center-

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and quality of its sourcings, is notable as well.--

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