Talk:Woke/Archive 6

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woke ideology, seems pretty common. Btw it's already linked with CRT in the article. To say that "woke" is not also used as associated with far left pathological behaviors like dogmatism, cancel culture (unreasonable ostracization), tribalism and racial essentialism (See CRT) that's quite a stretch. It should not just enter the category "insult" in order to dismiss specific pathological behavior from the far left who fancy representing itself as reasonable progressives. I don't know how this position can pass the test being confronted with facts. Would you be open for me provide the sources and that we modify the article accordingly? I'm quite busy so it might take some time to provide enough sources to make my point evident. Again I'm also a newbie here, I might need some help.

3411:, written by a self-declared Corbynite. I even think Obama's pejorative use is notable, although it is only anecdotally so. But I am not editing the article since I don't think I can add anything of use personally -- I'm not that knowledgeable about the whole debate, and realize I am only providing anecdotal examples. My only point in commenting on this page was to voice an impression that it seemed America-centric and I suppose slightly archaic in light of contemporary use, so I would love to see serious, independent RS coverage to explore aspects of the concept of 'woke' that is not covered adequately here (IMO). Again, just to state it, I do appreciate you keeping a watch on the article 1689:- It is quite clear when you look in more details about what the critics are specifically criticizing is post-modernism, "critical theories" and their later developments in the States. There is quite few of them (critical race theory, intersectionality, gender theory, standpoint epistemology, etc.) The term woke is used as a practical umbrella term to talk about a form of radical identitarian social constructivism (which is not very practical and obscure even if we cite the specifics like I did.) and the issues that are emerging from it's application: dogmatism, cancel culture, racial essentialism, tribalism obscurantism, etc. 3249: 209:

really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you." Obama doubts the efficacy toward progressive change of certain activist' tactic of online shaming. "There is this sense sometimes of 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.' Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or used the wrong verb. Then, I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because, 'Man, you see how woke I was? I called you out.' I'm going to get on TV. Watch my show. Watch

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social constructivist ideology). 2- That the term woke should only to be associated with the "stay woke" meaning ---then the "woke" meaning or "woke ideology/movement" as used by again, said serious intellectuals, that this page has to be disassociated with the meaning of the latter. In both ways, your strategy to remove the association with what we mean by it doesn't make this article truly represent impartially what the term means today as we are using it.

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line that young progressives are seeking 'purity' and slammed 'woke' culture as not being activism at all ... 'This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,' Obama said to light laughter. 'The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids and share certain things with you.'

1934: 3293:"Among conservatives, woke has come to be used primarily as an insult" - This sentence implies only conservatives use it as a woke term, when that's obviously not the case. Political party affiliation doesn't determine if someone uses woke as an insult. Could this be modified to something along the lines of "Some individuals, a majority of them in conservative circles", etc. Especially when alot of independents also coin the term (ie. 3201: 2894: 2239: 1480: 450:(éveillé) – vous devriez la laisser derrière vous, et rapidement. Le monde est en désordre. Il y a des ambiguïtés. Les gens qui accomplissent de très bonnes choses ont aussi des défauts. Les gens contre qui vous vous battez peuvent aimer leurs enfants et même, vous savez, avoir des points communs avec vous » . Barack Obama critique également les stratégies déployées en ligne par certains militants, s'inquiétant de cette tendance 1139:/Berkeley are not immune to impressions they bow to certain present social trends, I doubt WP's editorial decisions on political articles would be able to do so, as well. Whereas I grant that this discussion's voters' (ah, which I spell that way because I think our very resort to referencing them, without really referencing any specific arguments, reveals them as such and not as "!voters -- ) 3612: 3531: 1541: 1071:

exemplary, even overzealous (or, perhaps, simply counterproductive: Indeed, if I understand right, both Obama and McWhorter simply find certain acts counterproductive and even self-identify as supporting the goals of "wokeness"). In any case, encyclopedic coverage includes all prominent views. (And, what's also been deleted from this article are mentions of prominent instances of

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by the French mainstream right (President Macron's government and his ministers, in particular Elisabeth Moreno and Jean-Michel Blanquer) as an attempt to counter that threat and woo back those voters, would be a useful addition to the article, and especially helpful in giving the article a more global perspective.

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Woke & Wokeism current Definition : “People today starting in the 2020's who identify as woke see themselves as having been awakened to a new set of ideas, value systems, and knowledge” all based on dubious facts from the left wing media in politics. Has nothing to do with racism like the left in

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The term wasn’t popularized by Black Lives Matter activists. It was originated and popularized by grassroots Ferguson protesters like Darren Seals and Maya Aaten-White. Aaten-White better known as “Spook” is a Howard University graduate and activist who was in her home town covering the protests when

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as their philosophical arguments and not as an editing rationale, in that so doing would run contrary to the necessity of the non-active stance required in the gathering of Knowledge's tertiary material. Indeed, for such a philosophical argument as this to actually make its way into the article would

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argues that the attempt for ideological purity by individuals claiming to be woke is counterproductive. "This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically 'woke' and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. The world is messy; there are ambiguities. People who do

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12:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC) Usually objectionable "Criticism" heading is now replaced with "Reactions", and as any phenomenon having people reacting on it, we have "Positive" and "Negative" response. If I am wrong, or if this case is somehow uniquely different, please "react" here first, before you

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had become used almost exclusively as a pejorative". The source for this is a journalist, who appears not to back up this assertion with any kind of analysis or reference to any studies of the term. We shouldn't be stating a journalist's opinion as fact, in Knowledge's voice. "almost exclusively" is

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All of these meanings are captured by Dr King and numerous preachers, and even my Catholic grade school teachers, as a powerful way to understand how to respond to and challenge racial unfairness and injustice. In that context, the leap from awake to ‘woke’ is really just a cultural linguistic leap

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I think some account of the function which the term "woke" (and its derivatives) performs in French politics, as a term to oppose Americanisation (some would even claim as a term to express anti-Americanism), its use by the French hard right to rally voters (Marine Le Pen, Eric Zemmour), and its use

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would argue there might be a dearth of academic sources with a critical lens as some of the whole culture-war-thingy appears to also include a criticism of the spread of postmodernism in academia itself). But there is no shortage of books being published using the term pejoratively, not only by Fox

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I totally agree on reception, but now that I gave it time to think about the rest, I am not so sure anymore :-), especially using "positive/negative" - it carries to loaded connotations. However, maybe "pro/contra" or "for/against", or some other way to give readers little bit clearer distinction ?

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The fact that it is used as a substitute for genuine reform is, by my reading, what the sources say. I definitely don't think we can use the term "virtue signaling" (a pejorative neologism with clear ideological bent) in the article text; it'd be blatant synth anyway without sources using the term,

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I don’t know how to edit or add to the ongoing content stream, but when I was growing up, in the 1970’s and 80’s, I recall references to Dr. King’s “Stay Awake” to adjust to new ideas, to remain vigilant and face the challenge of change, a pretty clear invocation in my youthful mind of the numerous

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I am not conducting research here, only stating my opinion that there seems to be a disconnect between the contents of this article and the outside world, especially the world outside America. And I am very aware that this opinion is only an opinion, not a statement of fact. 'Woke' is in itself an

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This is confusing, as it sounds like a dictionary origin discussion, but I can't think I'd anything better.. As it is a word used in political discussion, we should be careful to differentiate between the language and the people. Also is there any evidence that the word is related to awakened or

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If I provide the sources then this article should actually represent what we mean as used in both sides of the political spectrum (to represent an ideology not just an "insult"). I'm curious have you never really heard about the link about CRT, post-modernism and so on when we talk about wokism or

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Hi, I've noticed that the page has been edited in order to remove that the ideology has been criticized by both the left and the right in the political spectrum (It's even done by some Marxists). There is even still the source left that Obama had criticized the "woke" under the page, yet the entry

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Hi Sangdeboeuf, I don't think it's an honest presentation of the term if 1-for you the concept either is an insult (because some people use it that way) then it has to be disassociated with what serious intellectuals both from the left and the right are using it for (to talk about an identitarian

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FiveThirtyEight writer Perry Bacon Jr. suggested that this "anti-woke posture" is connected to a supposed long-standing promotion of backlash politics by the Republican Party, wherein it promotes white and conservative fear in response to activism by African Americans as well as changing cultural

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Whatever the sense/nonsense of Obama's argument, it's nevertheless proved notable. (Note it's coverage was but recently removed from our article after its long-time inclusion, after all.) Coverage of counter claims about Obama's points' validity -- if taken up in a public forum and if found to be

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President Barack Obama on Tuesday said that 'woke' young progressives who use social media to call out problematic people—and who don’t understand that people who do good things sometimes have flaws—are not real activists, USA Today reports ... the two-term president fell back on the old centrist

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I thought the same when I saw the lede and couldn't agree more, especially as this is putatively a linguistics article. But I'm not aware of any analysis in the academic literature (which if it existed we'd have to wait for secondary and tertiary sources to pick up) so I can only suggest we just

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The definition is wrongly perpetuating the idea that the woke movement are champions of injustice. The definition should instead describe their intolerance of free speech, the aggressive bullying of anyone who disagrees with them, including ruining many careers and their support of violence and

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I suggest that the second is inappropriate. First, giving one-name privileges to "Bacon" suggests he's an academic research guru; he's not, he's just some journalist who wrote for 538. Second, the sentence states as factual "the Republican Party's long-standing promotion of backlash politics, by

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I think woke as a pejorative term and woke capitalism could be put inside a "Criticism" section and this also added there. I agree it gives a more international perspective on the backlash against the term. Right now the article seems to be focused only on its criticism inside the US but, as the

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Some acts certain observers think reasonable or even exemplary in, per se, "wokeness" (read: in their "countering of complacency with regard to societal subjugations and nonequalities"(?)), by their very nature, inevitably yet other observers will think these same acts as not reasonable nor

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she was shot from point blank range by an officer, in the head and miraculously survived. Seals, like many, if not all, of the prominent activists who are native to St. Louis and Ferguson, and we’re on the ground well before BLM got involved, have since died under mysterious circumstances.

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This article is completely wrong in the UK in 2021. The term is solely pejorative and the article should say this in the first paragraph - as it stands it would mislead a reader whose first language is not English. It is fine to make the historical perspective but not to deceive.

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Woke in my experience is someone perceiving racism in something that is not there on behalf of the group that could be offended. A better definition is a person invoking their white privilege to decide what offends other people or a person who caters to overly sensitive people.

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en vous ayant montré du doigt, ça n'est pas pour autant de l'activisme. Ce n'est pas comme ça qu'on fait changer les choses ». Obama ajoute encore : « Si vous vous contentez de jeter la pierre aux autres (sur les réseaux sociaux notamment), vous n'irez probablement pas très

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post-modernism, "critical theories" and their later developments ... critical race theory, intersectionality, gender theory, standpoint epistemology ... radical identitarian social constructivism ... dogmatism, cancel culture, racial essentialism, tribalism obscurantism,

3141:, of course, reception-rection is pratty standard description of reaction in media, but why not have some distinction pro-contra? (I can't see any TP discussion on the matter, otherwise I would certainly enter a discussion before editing, I am pretty responsive to TP.) 1596:"One journalist suggested that this "anti-woke posture" can be connected to a supposed long-standing promotion of backlash politics by the Republican Party, wherein it promotes fear in response to activism by African Americans as well as changing cultural norms." 493:, afirmando que "essa ideia de pureza e de que você nunca se compromete e está politicamente acordado, e todas essas coisas — você deve superar isso rapidamente. O mundo é uma bagunça. Existem ambiguidades. Pessoas que fazem coisas realmente boas têm falhas". 419:, afirmando que "essa ideia de pureza e de que você nunca se compromete e está politicamente acordado, e todas essas coisas — você deve superar isso rapidamente. O mundo é uma bagunça. Existem ambiguidades. Pessoas que fazem coisas realmente boas têm falhas". 1632:

I agree that moving away from the mononymic 'Bacon' is a good move. I also don't think this article is the place to be stating in wikivoice that the GOP promotes backlash politics, unless it's commonly stated as a fact in RS that are discussing 'woke'. The

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about the term "woke". Not every politician or pundit who calls something "woke" needs to be mentioned in the encyclopedia. I suggest removing most of the material under "Canada" and "Oceania" absent sources that actually focus on the term "woke" itself.

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analyzing an event which was centered around the meaning of the word and the usage in society. How is that not relevant to add in this section? Especially since it's broadening the scope of the article beyond the United States, which makes it useful.

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I can see the first two sentences of this fitting in the "As a pejorative term" section and being somewhat useful to the reader, because the former President is kind of using it sarcastically here. But certainly not the whole thing as it's written.

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Bill Maher, John McWorther, there are a lot of self-proclaimed Democrats who use the term exclusively pejoratively (in the U.S.). Outside, like in England, it is used pejoratively by everyone, in my experience, so I get what the person is saying

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require that sources be found that make it, after which it could be presented in paraphrase with them cited. Skipping this step in order to impose certain Wikipedians' understandings of a term's meaning by stealth simply isn't the Wiki way.--

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It's not described as an opinion, either in our article or the source, but as a neutral descriptor of what the term was coined to mean. Meanwhile, "virtue signalling" appears nowhere in the body or the sources and is entirely one editor's

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What sources identify a coherent "woke ideology," who do they purport is espousing it, and what are their alleged principles and beliefs? Who alleges that there are "far left pathological behaviors" (whatever that means) at work?

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I'm new here so I just want to be sure that my suggestion is welcome. This quite a controversial topic, and as a progressive that is against the woke ideology, I'm quite concerned that the page has been modified this way. Thanks!

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a May 2021 poll of attitudes towards the term in the UK. Not the same as a study of its use, but 37% of people who were aware of the term said that being woke was a bad thing – this doesn't fit with "almost exclusively".

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The purpose of this page is not as a soapbox for these ideologically driven insults and lies about "the woke movement", which is not even the subject of this article. The content of the article reflects reliable sources.

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a very specific claim; if we're to use it, it should be attributed to the person who wrote it, or backed up by at least one source that presents a linguistic analysis of the term's use and reaches the same conclusion.

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piece has a probably Knowledge commonly has too: when you start a sentence with "Bacon believes", should the entire sentence be read as attribute opinion, or are some clauses apparently stating facts? How about

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as well, that's beside the point though. There are alot of moderates and moderate Democrats that have used the word as well, to say only conservatives use it that way is intentionally misleading and divisive.

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Such difficulty is inherently subjective, and in this case is merely one journalist's opinion. None of the quotes attributed to Kinneging are explicitly related to "wokeness" (whatever that is) or the term

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soften the statement (without resorting to weasel words) to saying its use as a pejorative has increased (without reference to what's happened to the original usage)—even that is arguably cherry-picking.

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We would need a published, reliable source connecting any of these things with the term "woke". Even then, the terms "woke movement" and "woke ideology" are normally used as deliberate insults, raising

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and personal opinions inserted into the article, using biased, emotive language via a pejorative culture-war neologism, and directly replacing a more neutral summary taken straight from the sources. --

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American phenomenon in origins, as evident by debates in France, Britain and elsewhere where it is often critiqued as such. I am fully aware there needs to be proper sources (although I am sure

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This wholesale addition will not necessitate removal or change to any other text in the article; and, I suggest it be threaded in -- by its date? -- into influential uses of/commentary about

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My copyedit and replacement of Criticism with Reactions/Positive/Negative is without changing any content, except usually objectionable "Criticism" headings, which now says Reactions.

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biblical references to “waking up” to see properly having not understood previously, stay awake (in that same condition of spiritual understanding), to be vigilant for Jesus’ return.

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Suggested for where? Is it a change, a wholesale addition? Is there implied text removed? It would help to provide context for those who weren't already part of the discussion. —

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dénonçant vos mauvaises actions, ou le fait que vous avez utilisé le mauvais mot ou le mauvais verbe, et qu'ensuite je peux me détendre et être fier de moi parce que je suis super

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Agree. I've removed the claim for lack of reliable sources. If someone wants to put it back in as it is, they need to cite reliable leicogrqaphical sources, not opinion writters.

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links to a YouTube channel called "SmithsonianFolkwaysRecordings", with no information about the publisher other than that the channel was created in June 2014. All their

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The truth is not that 'woke' (read: Black, Latinx, and Indigenous) progressives are unwilling to compromise; the question is what things are they willing to compromise on.

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by reliable sources that actually use "woke" as a descriptor. The only sources I've seen doing so are propaganda or opinion pieces using "woke" as a deliberate insult. --

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Columnist David Brooks wrote in 2017, "To be woke is to be radically aware and justifiably paranoid. It is to be cognizant of the rot pervading the power structures."

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Il y a des gens qui pensent que pour changer les choses, il suffit de constamment juger et critiquer les autres}}, en l'illustrant par un exemple « Si je publie un

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I've removed these statements. There are myriad news sources quoting someone saying something is "woke" or "anti-woke", but unless the sources say something

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Definitions are the purview of those who coin a word. Given no explicit definition from the time, may I suggest researching what linguists have published?

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The terms woke capitalism and woke-washing have arisen to describe companies who signal support for progressive causes as a substitute for genuine reform

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It was not about the party their opinion, it was organized by their scientific organization and it seems that independent scholars were invited, such as

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Wouldn't a movement define itself? If there are criticisms that is a section that can be added or updated. The definition you propose is your opinion.

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The term woke capitalism was coined by writer Ross Douthat for brands that used politically progressive messaging as a substitute for genuine reform.

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I'm surprised you hadn't removed it (in that I believe that if those with an editing regime similar to the one applied on this page were editing the

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is unavoidably POV, since virtually no activists identify themselves with such a "woke movement"; that term is only used as a partisan insult. Which

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but even if we had such sources it could only be attributed to them, never stated in the article as fact. EDIT: The existing sentence in the lead,

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The manipulation and undermining of the word by those who seek to sew disdain for racial progress, but call themselves Christians, is despicable.

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This version seems fine, so I've edited the section accordingly, omitting the word "supposed", which is simple editorializing by Wikipedians that

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In "As a Pejorative - Europe" the wrong article is linked for Balázs Orbán. Instead it directs to the article about the writer of the same name.

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itself. which is the subject of the article. The sources don't directly say that these uses are pejorative either. We need sources specifically

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ADD Weasel word tag to the sentance “ which some commentators have criticised as cultural appropriation.” OR add source OR rewrite OR remove.

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promoting white and conservative fears in response to political gains by African Americans and changing cultural norms respectively" which is

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I’m not an editor or participant in Knowledge in any way other than reading. I noticed that you have had some input on the “Woke” article.

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inherently POV. Knowledge is not a newspaper, and I doubt this one-off usage by the former president passes the two-year test, let alone the

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None of the sources say it was sarcastic, though. And they all focus more on issues of cancel culture and online shaming, not the word

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is not.) Be this as it may, in that sources in the proposed text say in their headlines and article-body text that Obama criticizes

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the "woke" movement becomes very similar to the Beat and hippie movements of the mid 20th century, as each pursues higher awareness

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is about a Dutch right-wing party's opposition to what they deem "woke", not about the general meaning of the term. The only real

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This thread exists to refine our understanding of the intended (and evolving) meaning of the term from origin through present.

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event, but newsworthy does not mean encyclopedic. About the only pertinent info I see in the article is that the political party

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to mean his contrasting effectively-advancing-its-cause with such criticisms of imperfections that Obama implies performative.

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The first paragraph defines the term via a direct quotation (assuming conventional use of "...") but does not cite a source.

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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available

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than to report on this same -- and promote and propose this understanding in accordance with a more correct understanding of

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has been a substantial topic of political controversy in France over the past year. Examples of sources discussing this:

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Neither the author of the piece in which "woke" was used figuratively nor then-contemporary authors can offer insight.

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is really hard to define, since it has two concurrent almost opposite definition. We have not done a good job at this.

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rationales seem arrived at sincerely, I also self-speculate that these same hint at such editors' mistrust that others

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is really hard to define, since it has two concurrent almost opposite definition. We have not done a good job at this.

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However, if certain Wikipedians believe, if my understanding of them is correct, that what Obama did was something

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mit den Worten „Seid nicht zu woke!“ und erhielt dafür viel Zuspruch. Nach Interpretation von Leslie Gauditz im

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I moved the following discussion from my talk page because I think this is a more appropriate place for it.—

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I think there are a few facts that need to be put in place so that the entry is more impartial and clear.

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Great Britain made me woke, and that’s something both Labour and the Conservatives can’t seem to grasp

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interest if only for his assessment linguistically of the shift in meaning over time, or satire like

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Claims that teaching Latin is racist make my mind boggle, says French minister leading ‘war on woke’

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various receptions: outside of North America; in political contexts; in religious contexts; etc.)--

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I don't disagree, but our personal experiences growing up are not relevant to Knowledge content.

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and how much are just trivial uses of the term. How many are even reliable sources, and not just

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Even if true, this does not contradict what the lead section states. In any case we would need a

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Can the reference to AAVE be linked to the WIKI page on African-American Vernacular English? --

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on including Obama's remarks. This article is not about any "movement" or "ideology", including

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it could possibly be part of a larger new section, but there's nowhere to plug it in right now.

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has the following quote, but the reference #28 is incorrect - it links to a different source.

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the term. Efforts to expand this article are complicated by the fact that the term nowadays is

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Recent contributions of isolated uses of "woke" as a pejorative—from third-party sources that

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but doesn't explain what such "woke thinking" supposedly is. The conference was evidently a

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Criticism of the woke ideology, what it means for it's critics, including those on the left.

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LA CANCEL CULTURE EST «DÉSTABILISATRICE POUR NOS CIVILISATIONS», ESTIME JEAN-MICHEL BLANQUER

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Yesterday's weather was also reported around the globe. That doesn't make it encyclopedic;

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a

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a montré son opposition à la course à la pureté idéologique des personnes se revendiquant

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article itself mentions, the term is global enough that the Oxford Dictionary added it.

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France Rejects American ‘Woke’ Culture; President Macron Says It Is ‘Racializing’ France

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The phrase is and has been pretty common for a while. It's practically in our lexicon.

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Jean-Michel Blanquer : « La France et sa jeunesse doivent échapper à l’idéologie woke »

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template. This is explained in the article body. The lead does not require citations.

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Obama's criticism of woke was reported in an unfathomable number of reliable sources

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Megyn Kelly may not be a member of a political party, but she is a conservative.

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apparently ungrammatical particle: "echoes Martin Luther King, Jr.'s exhortation

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such uses specifically, they don't add much to an understanding of the topic. --

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Shouldn't there be a new article specifically dedicated to "Get woke go broke"?

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Should someone make another article about the movement? Seems pretty relevant!

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/opinion/how-cool-works-in-america-today.html

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made by somebody appropriately prominent -- would belong in our article, too.--

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with these specific groups needs better sourcing than one opinion piece IMO. --

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from "Current text makes it sound like the work "woke" is used in the song.".

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That song being "Scottsboro Boys" by Lead Belly - but as you can hear here:

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Which sentence best follows our policies of NPOV and NOR, as well as UNDUE?

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the term and how it's used. This is similar to the comments by Barack Obama

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stated that this event demonstrates that Americans are "tired of woke," and

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would enable one to claim that these passages would even be there in 2029.

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References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)

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seien, sondern dass sie sich darauf ausruhten, anderen vorzuwerfen, nicht

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No changes needed only additions - Need a new word added "Wokeism" and

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Michel Wieviorka : "Non, la France n'est pas envahie par le 'wokisme' !"

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Rezeption und Kritik - USA - "2019 kritisierte der frühere US-Präsident

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quoting Brooks was correct. I've re-added it to be more explicit. --

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23jun1963 Detroit iteration of his "I Have a Dream" activist sermon

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Macron Minister Slams ‘Wokeness,’ Wants to Keep it Out of France

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French people have discovered the word ‘woke’ and it’s terrible

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balling to know it will still be notable ten years from now. (

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is beside the point; consensus on what belongs in an article

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Protestbegriff «Woke» – «Woke»: Die Wut allein bewirkt wenig.

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French education minister declares war on American 'wokeism'

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habe er damit nicht grundsätzlich kritisiert, dass Menschen

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in the article on snappy soundbites that don't reflect

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of how the term is used occurs in the first paragraph:

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Les coulisses de l’opération Blanquer contre le wokisme

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article doesn't say anything about centrist Democrats.

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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I added such info below the suggested text; thanks.--

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Emmanuel Macron is wrong, wokeism was born in France

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described the election as "an anti-woke rebellion."

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Even this is not analyzed in much depth. -- 1332:French education minister’s anti-woke mission 1320:Controversy over "wokisme" in French politics 1378:La mission anti-woke de Jean-Michel Blanquer 283:, all of which have their own articles. Per 3077:is already cited, and it is about the word 1865: 1790:identitarian social constructivist ideology 1431:. What specifically did you want to add? -- 1024:I don't believe anyone has argued against 2230:Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2022 1963:Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment 2670:That's what I'm meaning to say. Thanks, 2449:, summarizes this sentence in the body, 1731: 1292: 719:, full stop. Can you give an example? -- 677:-- and that these sources did something 527:"Barack Obama challenges 'woke' culture" 2607:intimidation in achieving their goals. 2533:2600:1700:13F0:8110:2C67:5BE4:29A9:9E7B 2338:2603:8001:6A01:FA24:1121:1DF0:D88E:9383 1961:Above undated message substituted from 1456:2A02:8109:1A3F:C906:2CAA:1001:43C4:F6F6 14: 2566:2603:8090:900:15F6:E982:A4C3:9943:8D23 2440:Woke Capitalism definition in the lead 1026:the sense/nonsense of Obama's argument 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3121:undo my edit (without explanation).-- 2926:US politics wants people to believe. 1868: 1862: 1846:Already done! First sentence reads, " 1283:, but say very little about the term 1135:Hey, I'm not pollyannish. Given even 708:. To make a claim that something was 3460:Soundbites in Pejorative use section 2741:"almost exclusively as a pejorative" 1427:? 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