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relevant battles, it existed at the time and might contain relevant information to the effect that it wasn't involved. If there were any way to remove the template about the Texas
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Most of these naval skirmishes did not take place in this time frame. Ingraham incident took place in May 1835; San Felipe incident took place in Sept 1835; the
Natchez incident, Brazos River, and Galveston Harbor skirmishes took place in 1837. The article for the latter specifically states that it
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to include subjects which the reliable sources indicate were not relevant in the template, as that would reasonably be seen as indicating that they were relevant. No specific objections to including a ink to the Texas Navy, or maybe First Texas Navy. Even if it wasn't directly involved in any of the
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I'm removed the inclusion of the naval skirmishes. Historians do not consider these to be battles of the Texas
Revolution. The Battle of Campeche occurred in 1843, which means it was not part of the Texas Revolution (historians consider that to have ended April 21, 1836). The "Battle of Galveston
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Unless there are references which establish that these engagements formed a significant part of the Texas
Revoluation, leaving them out of the infobox seems best. While $ 1LENCE D00600D is a prolific creator of good quality articles, he or she tends to try to integrate them through adding them to
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they include the naval battles and are "named battles" or incidents. As for
Campeche, that was not part of the revolution so you were right in removing the link. However, there is no reason whatsoever to remove the others. They were part of the revolution and than means they can justly be linked
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they include the naval battles and are "named battles" or incidents. As for
Campeche, that was not part of the revolution so you were right in removing the link. However, there is no reason whatsoever to remove the others. They were part of the revolution and than means they can justly be linked
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Revolution template, which is the standard for every other campaign template on wiki. Nick D. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else is impatient. You cannot pretend these battles didn't exist or weren't part of the revolution. THAT IS UNSCHOLARLY.--
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of us to include them here. Additionally, some of these took place outside of the timeframe accepted by scholars for the Texas
Revolution - more evidence that this is OR. I'm doing my best to discuss this on the talk page - PLEASE discuss before making this addition again.
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Revolution lasted from Oct 5, 1835 through April 21, 1836. Even the Handbook of Texas article on the Invincible does not claim it was part of the Texas Revolution. Please provide sources to back up your assertions that these should be included.
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Karanacs, so your only reason for reverting my edits is because "some" historians don't include them in their histories. Thats like suggesting they never happened in the first place and were not part of the revolution when they obviously were. If you look at the
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Karanacs, so your only reason for reverting my edits is because "some" historians don't include them in their histories. Thats like suggesting they never happened in the first place and were not part of the revolution when they obviously were. If you look at the
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in this template? That way the individual (questionable) skirmishes are not listed in the template, yet the readers of the template will see that there was some Naval activity (the article says that Texas decided to build a Navy during the revolution).
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Can you provide reliable sources that include each and every one of these as part of the Texas Revolution? Can you provide reliable sources that say that the naval skirmishes that took place in early 1835 and 1837 were part of the Texas Revolution?
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broad infoboxes rather than Wikilinks in the appropriate articles and edit warring to keep them in the infobox. $ 1LENCE D00600D: I think that it's fair to say that that community's patience with this is rapidly running out.
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I am proposing a name change to this template. Nothing special, just thought that this template should be called "Military operations of the Texas Revolution" (or something similar) in order to be consistent with the
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include the naval battles. There are a handful of works that cover the naval skirmishes separately, but they aren't even mentioned at all in the rest of the works.
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