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Secondly, in my view, the system failed abysmally here. While I obviously presume that the Mzajac who was anciently granted sysop status is the same person as the one we know and are troubled by, the two main periods of his activity donât really appear like it. Since his return circa â19 (well before
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In my case, while I had seriously considered it, I did not feel prepared to be the lead complainant on a full ArbCom case. And I had legitimate concerns that it would end up with anyone who had ever been in a content dispute in RUSUKR being slapped with sanctions and topic bans and whatnot. I wasnât
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or external mass media finding out about such an epic lapse. Because she was a confirmed sock, there was no hesitation. Yet here, a dozen or more experienced editors and admins â the very people the community trusts to maintain order â passed the buck around instead of deal with a difficult rogue
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First of all, not all of us who knew him only from actual war-related pages were immediately aware of his previous history with AE, RMs, etc. It took me, for one, months, off and on, to piece together the full picture, and this was only after I stumbled across the fact that he had been the one to
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364:Procedures
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