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access the page they want, rather than sending 25% of users directly to the page they want, leaving the other 75% to struggle to get to their intended destination. (It's not a perfect analogy, since I imagine users are somewhat less likely to navigate meta namespaces by title search compared to mainspace. But it still happens - e.g. if I want to know whether the MoS has rules on whether I should write "17" or "seventeen", I'll take a leap of faith to
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With all due respect, I wishfully was trying to comprehend all of your explanations. Still, these led me to two questions: What does it mean when the shortcut does not fall foul of WP:CSD, even though it states the implausibility of a redirect so that it can be deleted? If we are talking about essays
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and there's no agreement about what it should point to, because there are multiple candidate pages that are approximately equally popular and salient, then it makes sense to make it a dab. Basically, it's better to send 100% of people who search for it to a short directory from which they can quickly
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A lot of Knowledge works on the "I know it when I see it" principle. Re the four users-space shortcuts mentioned above, it's likely that someone made the shortcut and other editors thought it was a good idea. However, it others don't like a shortcut, they might try to get it deleted. I just stumbled
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A good-faith editor can have all sorts of thoughts in their user pages but a shortcut to those thoughts would be in the Knowledge namespace. That means the shortcut will be subject to the views of other people. I don't recall seeing an example, but it is likely that making a WP shortcut to a user
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Essays and guidelines are not kept in user sandbox pages, and guidelines are not normally kept in any part of user space. In any case, the sandbox in question does not appear to be either an essay or a guideline. If you create that redirect, you would need to ensure that it doesn't fall foul of
930:. Thanks for the explanation. Before I end this discussion, some questions appear in my head: How do essays on the user namespace page have their own shortcuts? Is it because they do have some agreement on background-problematic discussion? Should 801:. That would be on the basis that a WP shortcut carries a suggestion of at least some degree of community approval. Also, it may be undesirable to set a precedent for the idea that everyone can have a dozen shortcuts. Exceptions such as 482:
A couple of months ago, an editor wrote an essay. The same editor also created five slightly different ALLCAPS shortcuts for it. Could we suggest to editors that a multiplicity of shortcuts is not a desirable outcome?
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What do you mean? These templates just categorize articles and indicate the preferred English variant to anyone reading the source; they don't display anything in the page itself, so there's nowhere to show a name or
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sounds fun. Maybe I'll try to make a new shortcut for mine, though it will be risky to do so, and many users will hate it. So, let's see. :D
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Yes, I saw the recommendation not to (necessarily) limit the shortcuts box to one or two, but I'm asking about telling people not to
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in the source. You only need to write this once per new page, though, so it doesn't seem like a very important time-saving measure.
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This banner should be placed on the talk pages of project, template and category pages that exist and operate to maintain redirects.
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above. I am sure that there was a similar discussion a year or two earlier than that, in which I was involved (as was RexxS). --
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Can a shortcut be used to redirect a user's page sandbox other than WikiProjects, guidelines, essays, and manual of styles?
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which claims there are 1,092 redirects to user pages from outside user space. Amazing. It has some horrors, for example,
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have an explanation of how shortcuts should not be used in the user namespace page, or why some of them do not have it?
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In a user's page sandbox, as I mentioned recently. For example, a sandbox that might be contain an essay or anything.
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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the
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and hope it's an extant shortcut pointing to the guideline I'm looking for.)
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In my mind, there are similar considerations to the mainspace concept of
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and see a list of open tasks. To browse help related resources see the
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page would result in the shortcut being nominated for deletion at
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what it has to do with these sandboxes, and how do they keep exist
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topics. If there are multiple candidate targets for a name like
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designed to be placed on the talk pages of most redirects and
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and guidelines that are not kept in user sandbox pages, then
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exist for a user page that has a lot of history and wisdom.
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Are you saying that you want to create a shortcut to e.g.
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If you really want to save time typing, you could change
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is a page used for test edits. (More information at
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was to DAB it, and I was surprised to know there are
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