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all of cited pages calling it "jabuticaba" are either articles by laymen written several years after the
Knowledge article became prominent, or Brazilian/portuguese-language articles). Dictionaries and encyclopedias have been responsible for spelling changes over the years, but it doesn't need to happen here. Most physical dictionaries and even Wiktionary actually use the "o" spelling, Knowledge is a very odd outlier. The page doesn't get high traffic from Wikipedians (there's a lot of spelling and phrasing and formatting and translation inconsistency on the page in general, for example there are multiple instances of "jaboticaba" already on the page), so it's unlikely that things will ever change without a push. There was no dissent or even further comment in the original discussion for five years straight. In any case, I support moving the page to
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Glossary of botanical terms and start working on an article for heterophyllous in the draft space if I do not see objections. Edit to add: Also, clearly I should try making a list of every possible botanical term and watching all those redirects for well intention people
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I have no idea if it is recoverable or not. I just did a search for heterophylly and found the redirects for discussion that I linked. If there was an earlier discussion for heterophyllous I did not find it, but my searching could be weak. I just tried searching for both terms on all the templates,
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That wasn't edit warring so much as a descriptionless rollback of an incomplete edit. I don't think this change would be controversial to anybody in
English language circles, as it's pretty much only *because* Knowledge comes first in search results that it's ever spelled "jabuticaba" here (almost
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Braglia, Luca; Thomson, Lex A. J.; Cheek, Martin; Mabberley, David J. & Butaud, Jean-François (2024), "Pacific
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