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181: 518:- Research conducted by music experts in the early 1980s ruled the sales figures of Bing Crosby (300m) to be highly exaggerated as they came during a time before the music industry was developed. No independent audit of his global sales figures from royalty reports had been published. Similarly no independent audit of the global sales of Elvis Presley were conducted or published regarding the sales during his lifetime. Artists without certifications shouldn't be used here 209: 150: 119: 523:- Bill Wyman of the NewYorker did his own investigation and came to the conclusion that both The Beatles and Michael Jackson had sold around 500 million records worldwide discrediting the widely publicized 1 billion figures, with the Beatles sales being over 600 million if you combine the sales of each individual member. Which is where the 600 million sales figure for the group originates from 892: 832: 799: 767: 708: 648: 618: 566:- The Jackson 5 have not been certified for any of their records however adding the claimed sales for every album comes out to 63 million, with I Want you Back, I'll Be There, ABC and the Love You Save alone coming out to over 20 million singles. In all they sold around 110-120 million tops. It was common back in the day to add their sales to Michael Jackson's solo sales 549: 199: 490:
In some cases the certified units are larger than those estimated as a total. This makes no sense and since this has been going on for years I would like to call for action to create a consensus and update the page with the agreement of the most experienced members of this group and following best
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Presley was also retroactively certified up to date for all of his eligible albums during the 90s and it added another 100 million to his total. Based on his total certified sales to date (234 million) and the large discrepancy between him and the Beatles/Jackson, the most realistic claimed sales
528:- The best selling artist list from the "IFPI" circulated from 2006 was a fake and can't be traced back to them, i found no source reported by a reliable media outlet. Their only claim is that Mariah Carey and Michael Jackson were the best selling male and female artists of the millennium. 545:- The certified sales of the Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd are extremely low and their claimed sales should probably be lowered. It's highly unlikely that either act has sold 250 million. Led Zeppelin could potentially also be lowered given how low their certified sales are. 533:- Chartmasters is run by a music fan who frequented message boards during the 2000s and estimated his sales information based on reports he "studied" during that period. It has no official backing with the RIAA or other sources and should be discredited. 539:- Mariah Carey has been certified for over 224 million records and she's missing around 20m from her studio albums by my count, which would bring her up to 250 million if we assume some singles are out of date. Mariah's claimed sales should be 506:
The solution regarding the page would be either to completely revise the claimed sales figures for every act without a established consensus already. Similarly artists close in certified sales should also be relatively close in claimed
699: 639: 883: 563:- Celine Dion based upon adding up all of the claimed and certified sales has sold 170 million albums alone, excluding any physical singles or digital singles sales. Her claimed sales should be higher 474: 682: 790: 823: 758: 664: 569:, which is where the 750 million records comes from. If we are keeping the Beatles at 600 million then this should also be added. But only if he were to surpass them in certified sales. 911: 724: 319: 818: 851: 669: 500: 785: 273:
I have just started a draft for mixed-gender bands, and could use some input into which ones are most significant, and sources for trends in composition and success. Cheers!
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It was reported that overall Presley had sold 100 million records worldwide in the 20 years following his death.
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article has old, outdated or wrong figures in many cases. For this reason, I asked on the talk page
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Hi fellow pop music Wikipedians! I am currently holding an RfC for Kylie Minogue at
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Just some of my thoughts regarding the claimed sales of the artists on the list.
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regarding changes to the set list section. The discussion can be found at
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What i found after investigating various figures on the list was
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what criteria are being adopted to keep the article updated.
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