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current users of the awards, obviously) seems to me the best way of ensuring "a handful of editors" does not represent the community, but if that's what happens, that's what happens. But it seems obvious that consensus never was reached and that quite a few in the community were against awards based on people, not edits. Now, you can either propose it and we'll let the full listing run and gain as much community input as possible, which will also solve this template problem, or I can submit it to MfD and get a definitive decision from more than a handful of editors. Frankly, I don't care about the result (though if they're kept I think the service names need to change), but consensus is lacking from the larger community on this issue.
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look like is very likely going to encounter bad feelings whenever it does anything anybody disagrees with. Perhaps it might work if the award recognition process were to have a set of individuals who regularly take part in the discussions. Maybe it might be possible to encourage the coordinators or other semi-official leaders of the various WikiProjects to regularly take part in the discussions? By doing so, you would be more likely to ensure that the results are generally acceptable and that there is a sufficient number of parties involved to ensure that all sides are represented. Of course, I have no clue how such a thing could ever be practically accomplished.
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this isn't a joke, but our highest award. I also understand
Kingboyk concerns, yes, 50 votes is a good standard. But we must make this process known. I'll ask AzaToth if he can make a Qxz Ads for us. Any one has ideas on how to "advertise" this award? BTW, I'm starting to nominate a bunch of wikipedians who I think deserve this award. Also, I support the removal of the need of nominee's acceptance: if this is Knowledge's highest award, then nobody can refuse it. It's only the community who can decide if somebody deserve it or not. Happy editing everybody,
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things get proposed. Look through the archives for the
Burnstar, or the other various silly ideas proposed. The proposals process is to get the community a chance to review ideas, as all ideas are reviewed on Knowledge. Anyone is welcome, and encouraged, to vote on them. I think threatening us with an MfD is like threatening WikiProject Stub sorting with an MfD, destructive and unhelpful. If you want to help, go contribute to some proposals. A successful MfD will not solve anything other than remove the people who keep the process tidy.
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accept or reject them. You are taking a very strange attitude to this in refusing to submit WP:SERVICE to any kind of community scrutiny. If the community is happy with it, than it will remain; if likely to delete it, then it shouldn't exist anyway. Simply claiming that people who don't like it should stay away is silly, why should we if it is rejected by the community? Should we shut down AfD because people who don't want articles on
Knowledge should just not read them? Come on. Be civil, open a proposal, and let's get on with it.
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know and care nothing about organizational development and volunteer motivation are going to screech "Editcountitis! Editcountitis! Squarrrk!" and join up with the No Fun
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2124:(one of the most popular Wikipedians ever, I'd wager) declined because she felt she wasn't worthy is now being given out like candy :) 6 people, mostly from your WikiProject, giving the nod in a not-advertised nomination for our top award (?) isn't really a strong display of consensus. I'd prefer to see 50, at least - and you may well get 50 supporters, too! --
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cordinator shit going on up there. I mean ... really? It's so ironic that it's unbelievable - I don't know what it is about this project. I understand that some debate needs to go on since the barnstars are official - but there have been outright attacks on editors, through name calling, accusations, etc. I mean pardon the crude similee, but this is like
2424:*shrug* Unless people are going around looking for people to nominate this award to... or people are working specifically on their userpage all day... I don't see a huge problem with it. I have one, and I don't edit my page much. The EA one was a problem because it was actually something people were working towards - this one is more incidental. –
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Hi all. Wonder if I could get your thoughts on something - Is there any chance that we could take out the WP:BS redirect to get to the
Barnstar page please? I don't know about the US or other countries, but in the UK, BS often refers to something as "Bullsh*t". Take for example, the redirect WP:CB,
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I've made some chages, as to what evrik said. I need to have more input on the size shape of images, and national awards, and everyone must discuss them before we can go ahead and add it. Also, to people looking at a preview of the page, you must be aware that the contents box will not be visible and
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There's a lot of concern been expressed recently about the few numbers who are actually voting regularly. What do people think of having a weekly bulletin that anyone can sign up to receive that will give them a quick update of what's new, what's archived and the current status of the proposals? That
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Phaedrial got nominated, and my good friend Lar argued a point well (basically that if anybody deserved she did, but that the whole idea didn't sit too well with him). Put it another way, I'm not too fussed if it stays or goes, but if
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Yes, I am really all for that, but I didn't think there was any point in requiring that until we hit a critical mass of voters. If you look through the edit history, you'll notice I rewrote all the pages and had a large number deleted, but Evrik decided to argue over the requirements to stand. If we
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Services who suffered injuries to be awarded the medal. Reducing the purple heart to something awarded to wikipedians involved in anti-vandalism efforts seems disingenuous and is
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While I would probably agree with you that it looks better without transclusion, evrik seemed to be pretty set on the idea it should be transcluded. I'm not entirely sure why, he didn't say, but I expect he will make his views known soon enough, and we can decide if this needs to be addressed again.
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so I don't get winged at later by anyone. Can people please post here as to what they think needs to be done (if anything). The only problem with reaching consensus is that often people just don't post on a subject, ever, or only one or two people post their views, especially in a small project like
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With respect, this is complete bollocks. The term "Barnstar" developed on another wiki, it's a generic term for an award although the most usual form on English Knowledge is the star-shaped image that has become familiar here. A "bad faith" award would be against the civility policy and (as with
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I have just started a article with the title mentioned above. Perhaps, it would be interesting contributing\starting with me to this list; it might be fun if their is some kind of a competition between several users, to be on top of that list! When it is finished, their can be added subcategories,
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Aren't they basically the same thing? Wait, you are not seriously telling me that huge wheel war above is due to those two different versions of that page? You do realise that the changes between them are minor? Please don't tell me that was what that was all about, because that, quite frankly, is
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I'm new to this project, so I'm not sure how things work around here, but in my view having a bulletin updating users on newly qualified barnstars is a must, so the lesser used barnstars that are new are used more. also, i think this bulletin should be made more obviously available, i.e., it could
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I think we have to find a balance between being bold (to create barnstar) and its consequences (e.g. provides bad faith). But I'm pissed off that someone is suggesting to delete all 70 affiliated pages because it shows us some examples why those barnstars are not recommended (or created alreadY).
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awards, but rather promoting the use of such awards to encourage civility and fellowship (wikilove, if you prefer). This is an excellent sentiment and overall is performed admirably. I'm only concerned with the abuse of Knowledge by purporting to hold "approvals" discussions for awards that are
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due to my ignorance. The main question I had regarded moving the barnstar from a talk page to a user page. (Do some consider that bragging?) The rest were minor points that I thought could be included in a write-up. If no one else sees a real need for an etiquette section I'll leave it alone.
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And you haven't mentioned all of the "illegal" wikihalos that I've seen around. Well, I'll try do a cleanup. Let's try to bring this award back to life. I think we can recreate back the Wikihalo discussion page, there's a lot to discuss. I support a one month long discussion for every nomination,
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awards, shouldn't you make that clear in the project title and so forth? Sheesh. If you "don't care about the result", what the hell are you doing in a project like this? I disagree with the whole premise of your action, if you send this to MfD. You know as well as I do that a bunch of people who
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I would question both the value of the article to wikipedia and the possibility that, after its creation and initial expansion, several people might try giving a greater number of awards to people they like simply to improve their placement on the list. If that were to happen, whatever value the
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Alternately, it could be created as a kind of task force of the Council, if and when the proposed reorganization of projects takes place. I would personally think that group might be the best place to discuss all activities specific to projects which might benefit from outsider involvement, like
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Maybe for historical reasons, "barnstars" are the highest class honour on Knowledge. Therefore, to maintain this standard, a procedure was set up so that people don't create barnstars for too simple subjects. BAP has never (as far as I know) been rejecting an award unless the award promotes bad
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Well, you can essentially do just that with Personal User Awards, they don't require a process. But barnstars are supposed to recognise significant achievement in a particular area, and as such they have to be carefully considered. Just like when someone proposes a new policy, there has to be a
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The WikiProject doesn't own the Awards process, it maintains it. It is utterly false to claim that proposals are scrutinised by us; we are similar to WikiProject Good Articles - maintenence of a process that needs looking after. Awards have to have the consensus of the community, because stupid
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Should a section be written (or does one exist elsewhere) on Barnstar "etiquette"? For example, it should be placed on the receiver's talk page, but does the receiver move it to his user page or should it remain on the talk page? Is it customary for the receiver to thank the giver, or is this
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Walk away from that timewasting page. Forget about it. If you ever feel like showing your appreciation for someone's work, feel free to do so in absolutely any way you like, up to and including making your own barnstar. That's it. No silly bloody "approvals" nonsense. Let's get rid of this
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Well, no. Inclusion on the template is based upon consensus from the community. If tons of editors are using these awards (though I confess I have yet to see any editors doing so) then it is a straightforward matter to quickly achieve consensus. Advertising on the VP and CP (and contacting the
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So what's wrong with handling barnstars the same way as anything else? If I want to give out "The barnstar for articles that start with the letter B," who cares? It's silly and stupid, but that just means it'll rarely get used. On the other hand, if I come up with a good one, it'll get used
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Barnstar? Surely a gender-neutral title would be a simple and less anachronistic choice. I would suggest that the name of this award would be far less shrill to non-patriarchal ears if it were updated to "The Worker's Barnstar" or "The Labourer's Barnstar" or something along those lines.
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Whatever gives you the idea that barnstars are "official"? Or even that the "significant achievement" is defined anywhere other than in the mind of the person handing out the barnstar? I've seen several stars handed out for reasons I consider specuous; that doesn't make them invalid.
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for someone to go along and stub-tag an article. They won't come along and tell you "Sorry, you're not allowed to stub-tag that, we didn't vote on whether you should or not." And if they ever started to pull that, I'd call for their reform or shutdown in a heartbeat.
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frequently. Either way, disapproval or approval in that case can come from the community, by utilizing or ignoring what's put forth. Why do we need some special process? As to stub-sorting, the big difference with stub sorting is that they don't require
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3254:. The award is for Wikipedians who contribute significantly to environment articles or the project itself. Right now, the name of the barnstar is either "Environment barnstar" or "Environmental barnstar". Suggestions on picking which name are welcome.
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going throughout Africa to end genocide. I know this all seems very pointless- but what I'm getting at is evidentley there is a problem with this project - and I'm not sure how to fix it, my point is that it needs to be
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You're getting very emotional about this, chill. I only ever wanted consensus on this issue and the MfD is providing that. Consider what a ringing endorsement you just got! The awards are untouchable now.
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Why are there awards for having great/pretty/beautiful/nice userpages? How do they help the project? Why do we want to reward this behaviour?
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Lol. I'm playing with my utterly adorable but utterly terrified guinea pig at the moment, but I'll see what I can do. :)
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awards might have would probably sink to nil as people try to improve their favorites' places in the standings.
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way people can vote on what they want, and we have a cool way of monitoring the development of proposals.
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Moved discussion over to that page, leaving it here for now too. Please note additional comments there.
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under the 'Changing exisiting awards proposals' section and see what people think. Thanks!
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Congratulations Barnstar and award proposals/Proposed Changes!
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to make sure we can fix any links we might break. Thoughts?
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606:A Nice tea and sit down
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1444:Suits me.
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349:Well done
286:A mcmurray
249:A mcmurray
181:Snowgrouse
98:Archive 10
2984:too! :-)
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2118:barnstars
2002:Sethdoe92
1936:Redirect?
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1538:been bold
1536:OK, I've
1461:consensus
1421:Uh, why?
1398:Current:
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1033:and I am
887:destroyed
652:Wikihalo
565:Superm401
518:Zscout370
488:Clockwork
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90:Archive 7
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2556:Question
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223:Cheeser1
170:contribs
158:unsigned
3471:Support
3442:Support
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3296:Support
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1885:Czesc26
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532:phoenix
486:... –
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355:Andreas
321:Andreas
214:thuglas
39:archive
3480:ndonic
3388:WP:BAP
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3242:WP:BAP
3203:WP:BAP
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2989:Silver
2925:yck C.
2909:Silver
2859:yck C.
2845:WP:BAP
2833:WP:BAP
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743:awards
369:Visit
353:. :-)
330:Dryzen
179:man!--
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