Talk:Ted Nugent: Difference between revisions

4497:. Yes, if he'd been a clerk rather than a musician, it's likely that nobody would invite him to speak or pay attention when he did speak. But for the last couple of years (or more), what has put him in the news has been his (more or less) political commentary. This in general has got more quite a bit of coverage, and the particular comments whose presentation has been discussed close above have got more than trivial coverage. As for the request (immediately above) that one shouldn't cherry-pick sources, agreed. However, this is a WP article, not a PhD thesis; there's no time, space or effort for an argued formulation of the criteria for sources to be surveyed, a hunt for all such sources (or a sample, the sampling method itself carefully formulated and described). My 510: 3573: 989: 968: 853: 829: 863: 1210: 1186: 3918: 1587:

Hillary Clinton ,"I was in NY and I said hey Hillary—you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch." In an interview with Royal Flush Magazine, Nugent was asked about his views of U.S. President Barack Obama, and he responded: "I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up."

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editors to reinforce his liberal viewpoints on Knowledge and ascribe them to neutrality. This entire article needs to be reviewed and some people need to be removed, like Hoary and Tedperl who have obvious POV pushing agendas. The only way to reach NPOV is to remove all biased, paid, in-house editors from the discussion.

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Do we ever have a complete accounting of sources? Note though, the suggestion is not to call Nugent himself racist, but Nugent's statements. There is a difference. However I can certainly see a fallback position of "been described as racist and offensive" etc being a valid outcome (although consensus

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Yeah, how come the FIRST paragraph of the Bill Maher or Jon Stewart article doesn't start with "They have made a number of crude comments against President Bush" There was never even a SUGGESTION that this happen over there. Why? Cause Knowledge is OVERRUN by liberals. Their bias is sooo obvious that

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Everyone should be SUSPECT when some liberal accuses a conservative of being racist. . Especially when it comes to their messiah Barrack Hussein Obama. Did you know calling him by his name is racist? Oh yeah. It's true. haha. Face it. Liberals are the queens of 'false rape' charges in this regard and

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The opening paragraph contains the entry "Nugent has made a number of crude and racist comments against President Barack Obama". Clearly this is editorializing. It is sourced to Media Matters which is a partisan left wing organization. Hardly an appropriate source. In short it is an opinion and has

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Imagery, and the Dire Consequences of Racist Jokes for a history of how this argument has been made. "Subhuman mongrel" strikes me as equally racist, but there is less obvious scholarship behind this one. There is an article in Politifact in which they interview a number of historians on the use of

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In this day and age everyone finds everything controversial, so I believe the remarks “some find controversial” adds nothing to the profile. Let’s start adding “some find controversial” to everything that Lady Gaga supports; or the same that Morrissey is a vegan…same difference. Wiki is to be neutral

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Mr. Nugent may have had fun telling false stories to High Times and others. Snopes and The Smoking Gun have vast collections of trivial things like this but we do not. If he fell in a puddle at one point they would probably mention that as well. If it were covered widely by mainstream media (notable)

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I'm not a Ted Nugent fan, but I've heard this story from a few people. During the late 70s , Nugent was playing at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri. According to the story, someone threw a steel ball bearing at him, hitting him in his mouth, breaking a tooth. He said, again, according to

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This really needs to be added into the article, He admitted in a Rolling stone interview in the late 1970's that to avoid the draft, he took very intense steps to avoid being drafted which included urinating and defecating on himself without removing his pants for several days until he showed for his

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I have taken a strict line on "what the sources allow" (similar to those above) on other RfCs I've wandered on to previously. But this one passes that threshold easily. The comment is described as racist by multiple sources and appears clearly that it can be made in wikipedia's voice. The Washington

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They're not liberals per se, they're engaging in capitalism - they're paid to edit. Knowledge needs to AUDIT every account on its site for potential paid editors. Also, it needs to stop paying editors from within to edit articles like this. Hoary is a great example, so is Tedperl - these are obvious

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I am not saying that Nugent is trying to recreate Nazi rhetoric, but the territory in which he is moving is deeply disturbing, and when it shows up from someone who does engage in the obviously racist black man/chimpanzee comments, I am very comfortable describing Nugent as making racist comments.

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In the Independent interview he does not admit dodging the draft,he admits not wanting to be hurt/killed in Vietnam and being enrolled in college.According to the Independent article He doesn't even realize that a 1-Y is a health deferment so it's possible he has no idea why they gave him the 1-Y.He

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Ordinarily it'sunderstood that on-topic discussion is sacred and ought not to be touched by others, except, say, for a bit of indentation corrections to keep things straight. But strong personal attacks, vandalism, and chatty off-topic fan/forum stuff regularly gets deleted, the last on the basis of

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The sources use a variety of descriptions, some "racist" some "offensive" etc. I hit google news and picked the top URLs that seemed reliable (skipping blogs, etc). There are surely many more that I did not cover in my links above. Our task is weighing the various sources. all of the various terms

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might consider them racist, and I'd agree, however the term must come into the article only if it is being used by the sources. I think it's a little misleading to do a multiple choice list of bare terms without specifying which are used by which source. If "racist" was not used, then we should not

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Article states Nugent has 8 children. I count two he gave up for adoption. Two from marriage, where the mother was killed in a car wreck, and one from his current marriage. Even counting the reference to suit for child support, that only makes 6. Does this count include the Hawaiian teen over which

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It would appear from the article -- in multiple places -- that he's a long time resident of Michigan. In fact, as late as 2007 he was considering running for governor of that state. But he also lived in Illinois for a time as a teenager, and that state's Republican party wanted him to run for the

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Archiving is fine, but I disagree with your decision to restore off-topic postings. This is not a forum, and it's typical to remove comments that are unrelated to improving an article. I don't see what purpose is served by restoring a comment that says, "HI TED, YOU ARE SO VERY MUCH A PART OF HOW I

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Of course you are. Because race baiters believe anyone who doesn't blow Obama is a racist. This PREPOSTEROUS idea that mongrel is an Aryan Nation term is belied by the fact that Pres Obama used it himself. But liberal myopia has no cure. (Please donate to the cause however.) There are 3.2 MILLION

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Is Mr. Nugent a resident of Michigan, Illinois, or Texas? The article claims he's a "longtime" resident of Texas, but he's only been registered to vote here since January 2009. I wouldn't call that a long time. I can email his voter registration information to anyone who's interested; it's also

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Let me add the following that shows his proclivity for sexual relations with young minors. His marriage to minor aside, he is consistently referred to in magazines as having a "weakness" for children, like he's some kind of victim. He is a child predator, which this article makes no mention of:

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I would like add, why isn't there a section on Nugent's long history of racism? 1. He was banned from the city of Houston's venues for a racisr rant vs Latinos. 2. He has a long history of dressing up in racist parodies of American Indians. 3. He appeared on a white supremacist radio show. 4. He

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He says his comments weren't meant to be racist. It's not our job to decide whether these comments are racist. The opinion that these comments were racist should be included but they should be atributed to the sources. Knowledge should take no position on whether these comments were racist. This

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The question is not whether Nugent is a racist, it is whether he made racist comments. As I argued in the racist section, calling a black man a chimp is a racist statement. I would say the same about "subhuman mongrel", but that ia a slightly dicier proposition. And since we can certainly find

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any article of a political nature in here is a JOKE. And EVERYONE knows it. Congrats liberals who control Wiki. You let the inmates run the asylum thus DESTROYING all the credibility accrued by others who selflessly spent countless hours trying to create a fair and objective encyclopedic source.

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It's about time for a very serious POV check on this article. There's some very obvious POV pushing going on (like most political articles on Knowledge nowadays). Consensus is moving away from NPOV; which is usually a result of paid editing or internal involvement. Jimbo Wales hires a number of

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I don't, because I don't have a complete accounting of the sources or what that would entail. Personally, I think calling someone a racist outright is probably a BLP violation even if we have sources saying as such due to the subjective nature of it. Thinking more about it, do we even have to

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I don't find your !vote particularly helpful. Obviously we follow the sources. This RFC is to determine the consensus of what those sources say (Although I admit I could have perhaps worded the RFC better to that direction). Do you have an opinion as to what following the sources would actually

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It does not violate BLP, as the material can be sourced reliably. For that reason I do not believe that the 3RR rule should be overridden. Nor does it violate NPOV, as the article does not take a stand on the declaration. However, it may violate undue weight. (That's not a BLP violation.) This

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Nugent's right-wing views translate to his politics. During a concert in 2007, while Barack Obama was campaigning for president, Nugent said to the audience "Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun."need more than a broken link In the same interview, he said regarding

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I just put this up here to note that the article lacked this section. Also I wanted to know why illegal hunting charges were listed under Nugent's activism. I made no changes to the article itself only asked some questions and made some comments here on the talk page. Now it seems some over

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If the sources say that it's racist it should be atributed to them. It should not read that Ted Nugent is racist. It should read that he is thought be because of what ever. Use the sources and do not add any personal bias.Sources can be found that say he's not raciist and he didn't mean that

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Besides the obvious formatting issues present in the paragraph, there are no sources cited. Knowledge's policy on Biographies of living persons says, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just

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What "racist" remarks? In the introduction of the article it states, "Nugent has made a number of crude and racist comments against President Barack Obama." The "racist" part is not true , and defamatory, It needs to be removed. Once this protection is ended I am removing it myself.

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is the result of their musical career, not their politics. Given that we're in the middle of this current news cycle, there's absolutely no evidence that the importance of these comments will stand the test of time. I say wait a while and revisit the issue 6-24 months from now.

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http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=clsops_papers&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dchimpanzee%2Bracism%26btnG%3D%26as_sdt%3D1%252C33%26as_sdtp%3D#search=%22chimpanzee%20racism%22

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I am having trouble finding the original quote. The website does not list Nugent. Additionally, the quote makes no sense as MA has an alive and well concealed weapons law. Any ideas on where we can find the actual quote? Is there any possibility that it's fabricated?

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returns to the word mongrel when you google it. There are mongrel bands, mongrel websites, mongrel hardware, you name it. But, if you insist on the linkage, then FIRST accuse Barack Obama of having ties to the Aryan nation for HIS use of the word on The View.

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TSG is a tabloid. But Nugent took specific action to be interviewed in both High Times and Independent. Its not defamatory to quote Nugent talking about Nugent. If nothing else, it sheds light on his personality, and willingness to jerk interviewers around.

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Post source given above describes it as racist at multiple points, then you have New York Magazine and Seattle PI above, in addition the discussion in many publications is about how this fits into a racial (image) problem the GOP is having right now. See

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Thanks for sharing that for further discussion. One thought is that this also merits a controversy section. Alternately, another thought is to simply create a freestanding section on "allegations of racism" that could then include these quotes.

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Apparently, some people think Knowledge's "Biographies of Living Persons" rule means that no one can mention anything about this clown's personal life before 1990 - no matter how well sourced and accurate - because it was just THAT disgusting.

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no place in the article. The content could more accurately be represented by saying something to the effect of " Nugent has be highly criticized for what some call "racist" statements about President Obama...or something or that effect.

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Looking at 4 of these sources, I see that the comments are called "outlandish", "crude", "inflammatory", etc., but not "racist". Other comments, not mentioned in the articles, were ascribed to Nugent and were called racist, however.

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Middle Eastern policy: "We want to go to Saudi Arabia, man, and see if we can't get a four iron and knock people's laundry off the top of their heads. Wear laundry on your head and die, is the basic theme of the Damn Yankees ."

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If the Snopes medical examination is the real deal, then there is evidence that the story of Nugent's draft-dodging is true. Don't understand why it can't be noted that his last exam was 4-F when he is clearly a healthy guy.

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Non-Americans: "Foreigners are a—holes; foreigners are scum. I don't like 'em; I don't want 'em in this country; I don't want 'em selling me doughnuts; I don't want 'em pumping my gas; I don't want 'em downwind of my life."

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At this point, a section should be added on his racism, including recently calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel", this is quoted by MSNBC. There are also other well verified racist remarks that could be added to this section.

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incident did receive attention in Dubuque, but I don't see any coverage beyond Dubuque. Since the subject is a nationwide star, an incident in a small city that didn't get wider attention might not be worth including.

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I want to know if you consider any and all negative facts about Mr. Nugent to be a violation of BLP, since the material was sourced, factual and is commonly and regularly mentioned in many, many third party outlets.

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Why should there be "some mention" of his military service, when in fact he never served in the military? This seems to be a rather naked non sequitur. If he's a draft dodger, then he may be guilty of a crime and

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THINK. MY PA MADE NINE LANDINGS UNDER FIRE IN THE JAPANEESE ISLANDS IN WW2. I WILL SAY NO MORE UNTIL YOU CONTACT ME. " Can you explain why you think comments like that could result in improvements to the article?

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The Selective Service record only shows one medical examination 8-28-69 designating him 1-Y.The 4-F designation happened 12-15-72 after the classification system was changed and all 1-Y's were reclassified 4-F.

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Let the reader decide if they are racist or not. If a reader believes that they are or are not, it will not matter what they are called. Charged language, such as racist, only invite a battleground.

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Girl Scouts by Nugent: The coconuts just drive me wild, I buy my cookies right from a child, that peanut butter gets stuck to the roof of my mouth, I love them girl scouts east, north, west, and south

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One additional thought, his conservative activism should not be in a controversy section, but his racist remarks do not qualify merely as activism and so should be in some kind of seperate section.

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majority of the article is basically an anti-Nugent gangbang. so typical of wp for any non-leftist. the articles on any of the mass murderers like stalin or mao are more even handed than this.

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tells the same story on CNN.He says the High Times story was a prank on the "high" reporter and told the prank story to the Texas Tribune.The videos are on Youtube if anyone wants to find them.

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ha ha, apparently you lost the edit war to someone more determined! Considering his actively putting himself forward as a patriot/public figure you'd think draft dodging would be note worthy.

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The apocalypse: "The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil."

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As a person who is an activist in addition to a musician, perhaps the following quotes by him, as published by NY Daily News, should be presented to better frame Mr. Nugent's political views.

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Really? Ted has been a professional musician since age 9? That seems highly unlikely, can this statement be somehow clarified or sourced? Maybe he has been performing publicly since 1958.

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It's a milestone night for the Motor City Madman, who will celebrate both his 50th anniversary of performing and his 6,000th (or thereabouts) concert with this home state appearance at DTE.

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the legend, that he would never play in Kansas City again. From an interview in the Bangor (ME) Daily News of July 28-29, 1979, he mentions his chipped tooth and how it knocked him out.

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says merely disruptive chatter is a borderline case, so I didn't press the point, but I think it's usual (IME, anyway) to excise these unconstructive insertions. If it weren't, pages like

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that support the change you want to be made. Note that "Notable Instruments" is not intended to be a comprehensive list of guitars he plays, it's meant to be the guitar(s) he's

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The Independent,5-28-06,from Snopes "Correct.I did not want my ass blown off in Vietnam" "But you did dodge the draft." "I had a 1Y .I enrolled at Oakland Community College."

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In an article I can see your point. You can remove whatever you like from this page. To me, whatever is posted to a "Talk" page becomes part of that page regardless of topic.

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mongrel and subhuman as part of Nazi genocidal propaganda, in reference to Wolf Blitzer's comments. A couple of the quotes that they come up with from Nazi propaganda are:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/ted-nugent-guitarist-and-gun-lover-rocks-the-political-world/2013/07/02/7bb236dc-d203-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_print.html

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Unless there is opposition I will copy/paste old discussions into a archive page and consider auto archiving threads maybe after 30days. Any and all comments welcome.

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Jailbait by Nugent: Well I dont care if youre just thirteen You look too good to be true I just know that youre probably clean Theres one lil’ thing I got do to you

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Without comment about appropriateness of this comment, or appropriateness for inclusion in the article, I will provide a link the the MSNBC story for convinience.

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Now, any particular detail in the story must be well sourced, and looking at copies of his medical report found online and interpreting them would seriously fail

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The source says: "Hard to read on the document, but it may say 4-F." I also don't see "clearly a healthy guy". It is also a lame source and a primary document.--

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U.S. Senate. Someone (not me) recently added the category of "Michigan Republican" to the article. Someone else (also not me) deleted that very same category.

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gave a racist rant in a show in Iowa about how he was glad to have an all white audience. 5. His hatred for Obama is in many eyes largely motivated by racism.

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something has been published ("to descredit Nugent's political views"), and then use that (subjective) evaluation to determine whether to include it or not."

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For those !voting "Follow the sources" - Do you have an opinion as to what that would result in in this case? What description is supported by the sources?

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something has been published ("to descredit Nugent's political views"), and then use that (subjective) evaluation to determine whether to include it or not.

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Under the notable instruments section, there should be 3 additional guitars because Ted plays more than just a Gibson Byrdland. It should read like this:

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quoting the man himself counts as a reliable source. Perhaps someday a quotable source will ask the Nug (and be answered) how he got his 1-Y in 1969.

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So where is he a legal resident? Is he registered to vote in more than one place? Can the article be a little more consistent about where he's from?

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then we may decide to include it here as well. Since mainstream media probably considers these incidents as either trivial or untrue, then so do we.--

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I've added a short paragraph, well-sourced (I believe), with that added benefit of mentioning where he went to college. I've also tried to avoid

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So when a white person, like the thousands that called and created images of Bush as a chimp for example, is called a chimpanzee what is it?

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Thanks for pulling this until we get a source. There are a ton of sources, though the trick will be determining the best or most reliable.

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Health care policy: "The government must stay out of my life. If there are weenies who are in the liability column of our nation, tough s—."

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Gun control and rape policy: "Anybody that doesn't think it is better to blow someone's brains out than to be raped, deserves to be raped."

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His service, and the way he may have avoided it are notable via multiple articles and interviews he participated in. This is clearly a

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I don't know if this is worth including in the article on Nugent and it doesn't mention his claim of never coming back to Kansas City.

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Nugent has called Obama a "Subhuman mongrel" and "chimpanzee". These comments have been widely commented on in reliable sources.

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Immigration policy: "We should put razor wire around our borders and give the finger to any piece of s— who wants to come here."

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Calling a black man a chimp is about as obvious a racist insult as there is. See “Assassinate the Nigger Ape” : Obama, Implicit

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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/18/wolf-blitzer/wolf-blitzer-ted-nugent-used-nazi-terminology-subh/

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zealous editor erased my question I'll ask it again. Why is Ted Nugent's illegal hunting charge listed under his activism?

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Quit whining. Go to Bill Maher's page and lay out your negative facts there, son. Then you'll know what the real sham is.

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It's NOT a 'well known' fact. It's a liberal myth. Their one and only source? Ted himself, who later recounted the story.

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Ted Nugent's well-known for having opinions that are very much in-your-face. Racist is the best thing that can be said.

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Rogan, Johnny. Byrds: Requiem for the Timeless. London: Rogan House, 2011. ISBN 978-0-095295-408-8 (pp. 136-138).

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he obtained guardianship? That would equal 7. I'm not stating an opinion here -- only attempting to clarify. Thanks.

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There is a well known fact that Ted Nugent dodged the American - Vietnamese War draft with poor personal hygiene.

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I think this is valid to add to the article as it is a massive contradiction to his chosen career and politics.

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And I note for the record that aside from any issues about sourcing, you have still not established relevance.

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I added the link to the selective service history in the appropriate section with questions about 1Y and 2S.

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racially. It can't factually be said that Ted Nugent is racist. Here he repudiates accusations of racism:

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Calling a black man a chimpanzee is classic racism. See the article that I cite in the racism seciton.

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Heidi Prescott, president of the Fund for Animals: "Who needs to club a seal when you could club Heidi?"

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I deleted the follow paragraph in accordance to wikipedia's standards on Biographies of living persons:

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have ZERO credibility on the racism charge. Even the boy calling wolf is shaking is head at you guys.

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Absurd. In any case, its repeatedly described as racist by reliable sources, of all political stripes.

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According to this wapo story, he claims 9 children (but there are many more rumored from groupies etc)

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And what race is a subhuman mongrel and a chimpanzee? Nothing racist. Offensive, yes! Racist, no.

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and pointing that someone finds controversial leads the reader. Remove it and let the reader decide.

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Agreed, very suspicious that this is not mentioned here, is some PR agency cleaning this page?

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While I can see why one might dismiss a high times interview as a reliable source, I think

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There is no need (in my view) to have a discussion about this - anything else is OR. Now

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If he is a draft dodger it needs to be here. I've asked stack exchange's history beta:

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reputable sources that agree, I am in inclined to say that he made racist comments.

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Fixed the reference for the 1968 jam session in New York with Jimi Hendrix, et. al.

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Ah - perhaps you could enlighten me - and other editors - as to why you don't think

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this person's notability is the result of their musical career, not their politics

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Also, here is a video of it (uncitable youtube tho). the bad words start at 7:00.

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What is at issue is whether there has been coverage of Nugent's deferment(s) in

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A third child from his first marriage is missing, a daughter, Starr Nugent.

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He called him a subhuman mongrel and a chimpanzee. Thats pretty racist.

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Remove controversial reference regarding gun ownership and hunting.

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Maybe lock article after it being added to stop PA interference?

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It's not well-sourced and you utterly failed to avoid WP:UNDUE.

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should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion

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patently obvious, and described that way by many sources.

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CNN video Intense Ted Nugent Interview 5-18-11 pt. 1-4

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