4494:. Yes, if he'd been a clerk rather than a musician, it's likely that nobody would invite him to speak or pay attention when he did speak. But for the last couple of years (or more), what has put him in the news has been his (more or less) political commentary. This in general has got more quite a bit of coverage, and the particular comments whose presentation has been discussed close above have got more than trivial coverage. As for the request (immediately above) that one shouldn't cherry-pick sources, agreed. However, this is a WP article, not a PhD thesis; there's no time, space or effort for an argued formulation of the criteria for sources to be surveyed, a hunt for all such sources (or a sample, the sampling method itself carefully formulated and described). My
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3261:"As long as there have been men on the Earth, the struggle between man and the subhuman will be the historic rule; the Jewish-led struggle against the mankind, as far back as we can look, is part of the natural course of life on our planet. One can be convinced with full certainty that this struggle for life and death is just as much a law of nature as is the struggle of an infection to corrupt a healthy body."
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2755:"Mr. Nugent may have had fun telling false stories to High Times and others". If so, I would say that lying about dodging the draft in magazine interviews is a rather relevant detail. Either the man dodged the draft, or he lied to magazines and CLAIMED to have dodged the draft. And almost anytime he's mentioned, SOMEBODY brings that up. It's not being in this article is a clear example of bias.
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210:::Do we ever have a complete accounting of sources? Note though, the suggestion is not to call Nugent himself racist, but Nugent's statements. There is a difference. However I can certainly see a fallback position of "been described as racist and offensive" etc being a valid outcome (although consensus does not seem to be leaning that way so far) ] (]) 17:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
203:::Do we ever have a complete accounting of sources? Note though, the suggestion is not to call Nugent himself racist, but Nugent's statements. There is a difference. However I can certainly see a fallback position of "been described as racist and offensive" etc being a valid outcome (although consensus does not seem to be leaning that way so far) ] (]) 17:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
194::I don't, because I don't have a complete accounting of the sources or what that would entail. Personally, I think calling someone a racist outright is probably a BLP violation even if we have sources saying as such due to the subjective nature of it. Thinking more about it, do we even have to qualify the statement as described as anything? ] (]) 15:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
187::I don't, because I don't have a complete accounting of the sources or what that would entail. Personally, I think calling someone a racist outright is probably a BLP violation even if we have sources saying as such due to the subjective nature of it. Thinking more about it, do we even have to qualify the statement as described as anything? ] (]) 15:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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4107:, or similar, as described in the referenced articles, yes. But, the articles sourced do not describe the comments as racist. Neither were the same comments called racist when used previously to describe President Bush. Sounds like offensive political speech to me, but clearly not racist. See a summary of President Bush chimpanzee references
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editors to reinforce his liberal viewpoints on
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editors to reinforce his liberal viewpoints on
Knowledge and ascribe them to neutrality. This entire article needs to be reviewed and some people need to be removed, like Hoary and Tedperl who have obvious POV pushing agendas. The only way to reach NPOV is to remove all biased, paid, in-house editors from the discussion.
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Do we ever have a complete accounting of sources? Note though, the suggestion is not to call Nugent himself racist, but Nugent's statements. There is a difference. However I can certainly see a fallback position of "been described as racist and offensive" etc being a valid outcome (although consensus
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Barrack Hussein Obama. Did you know calling him by his name is racist? Oh yeah. It's true. haha. Face it. Liberals are the queens of 'false rape' charges in this regard and
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The opening paragraph contains the entry "Nugent has made a number of crude and racist comments against
President Barack Obama". Clearly this is editorializing. It is sourced to Media Matters which is a partisan left wing organization. Hardly an appropriate source. In short it is an opinion and has
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Imagery, and the Dire
Consequences of Racist Jokes for a history of how this argument has been made. "Subhuman mongrel" strikes me as equally racist, but there is less obvious scholarship behind this one. There is an article in Politifact in which they interview a number of historians on the use of
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In this day and age everyone finds everything controversial, so I believe the remarks âsome find controversialâ adds nothing to the profile. Letâs start adding âsome find controversialâ to everything that Lady Gaga supports; or the same that
Morrissey is a veganâŠsame difference. Wiki is to be neutral
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Mr. Nugent may have had fun telling false stories to High Times and others. Snopes and The
Smoking Gun have vast collections of trivial things like this but we do not. If he fell in a puddle at one point they would probably mention that as well. If it were covered widely by mainstream media (notable)
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I'm not a Ted Nugent fan, but I've heard this story from a few people. During the late 70s , Nugent was playing at
Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri. According to the story, someone threw a steel ball bearing at him, hitting him in his mouth, breaking a tooth. He said, again, according to
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This really needs to be added into the article, He admitted in a Rolling stone interview in the late 1970's that to avoid the draft, he took very intense steps to avoid being drafted which included urinating and defecating on himself without removing his pants for several days until he showed for his
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I have taken a strict line on "what the sources allow" (similar to those above) on other RfCs I've wandered on to previously. But this one passes that threshold easily. The comment is described as racist by multiple sources and appears clearly that it can be made in wikipedia's voice. The Washington
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They're not liberals per se, they're engaging in capitalism - they're paid to edit. Knowledge needs to AUDIT every account on its site for potential paid editors. Also, it needs to stop paying editors from within to edit articles like this. Hoary is a great example, so is Tedperl - these are obvious
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I am not saying that Nugent is trying to recreate Nazi rhetoric, but the territory in which he is moving is deeply disturbing, and when it shows up from someone who does engage in the obviously racist black man/chimpanzee comments, I am very comfortable describing Nugent as making racist comments.
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In the Independent interview he does not admit dodging the draft,he admits not wanting to be hurt/killed in Vietnam and being enrolled in college.According to the Independent article He doesn't even realize that a 1-Y is a health deferment so it's possible he has no idea why they gave him the 1-Y.He
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Ordinarily it'sunderstood that on-topic discussion is sacred and ought not to be touched by others, except, say, for a bit of indentation corrections to keep things straight. But strong personal attacks, vandalism, and chatty off-topic fan/forum stuff regularly gets deleted, the last on the basis of
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The sources use a variety of descriptions, some "racist" some "offensive" etc. I hit google news and picked the top URLs that seemed reliable (skipping blogs, etc). There are surely many more that I did not cover in my links above. Our task is weighing the various sources. all of the various terms
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might consider them racist, and I'd agree, however the term must come into the article only if it is being used by the sources. I think it's a little misleading to do a multiple choice list of bare terms without specifying which are used by which source. If "racist" was not used, then we should not
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Article states Nugent has 8 children. I count two he gave up for adoption. Two from marriage, where the mother was killed in a car wreck, and one from his current marriage. Even counting the reference to suit for child support, that only makes 6. Does this count include the Hawaiian teen over which
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It would appear from the article -- in multiple places -- that he's a long time resident of Michigan. In fact, as late as 2007 he was considering running for governor of that state. But he also lived in Illinois for a time as a teenager, and that state's Republican party wanted him to run for the
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Archiving is fine, but I disagree with your decision to restore off-topic postings. This is not a forum, and it's typical to remove comments that are unrelated to improving an article. I don't see what purpose is served by restoring a comment that says, "HI TED, YOU ARE SO VERY MUCH A PART OF HOW I
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Of course you are. Because race baiters believe anyone who doesn't blow Obama is a racist. This PREPOSTEROUS idea that mongrel is an Aryan Nation term is belied by the fact that Pres Obama used it himself. But liberal myopia has no cure. (Please donate to the cause however.) There are 3.2 MILLION
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Is Mr. Nugent a resident of Michigan, Illinois, or Texas? The article claims he's a "longtime" resident of Texas, but he's only been registered to vote here since January 2009. I wouldn't call that a long time. I can email his voter registration information to anyone who's interested; it's also
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Let me add the following that shows his proclivity for sexual relations with young minors. His marriage to minor aside, he is consistently referred to in magazines as having a "weakness" for children, like he's some kind of victim. He is a child predator, which this article makes no mention of:
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I would like add, why isn't there a section on Nugent's long history of racism? 1. He was banned from the city of Houston's venues for a racisr rant vs Latinos. 2. He has a long history of dressing up in racist parodies of American Indians. 3. He appeared on a white supremacist radio show. 4. He
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He says his comments weren't meant to be racist. It's not our job to decide whether these comments are racist. The opinion that these comments were racist should be included but they should be atributed to the sources. Knowledge should take no position on whether these comments were racist. This
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The question is not whether Nugent is a racist, it is whether he made racist comments. As I argued in the racist section, calling a black man a chimp is a racist statement. I would say the same about "subhuman mongrel", but that ia a slightly dicier proposition. And since we can certainly find
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any article of a political nature in here is a JOKE. And EVERYONE knows it. Congrats liberals who control Wiki. You let the inmates run the asylum thus DESTROYING all the credibility accrued by others who selflessly spent countless hours trying to create a fair and objective encyclopedic source.
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It's about time for a very serious POV check on this article. There's some very obvious POV pushing going on (like most political articles on Knowledge nowadays). Consensus is moving away from NPOV; which is usually a result of paid editing or internal involvement. Jimbo Wales hires a number of
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I don't, because I don't have a complete accounting of the sources or what that would entail. Personally, I think calling someone a racist outright is probably a BLP violation even if we have sources saying as such due to the subjective nature of it. Thinking more about it, do we even have to
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I don't find your !vote particularly helpful. Obviously we follow the sources. This RFC is to determine the consensus of what those sources say (Although I admit I could have perhaps worded the RFC better to that direction). Do you have an opinion as to what following the sources would actually
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It's about time for a very serious POV check on this article. There's some very obvious POV pushing going on (like most political articles on Knowledge nowadays). Consensus is moving away from NPOV; which is usually a result of paid editing or internal involvement. Jimbo Wales hires a number of
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It does not violate BLP, as the material can be sourced reliably. For that reason I do not believe that the 3RR rule should be overridden. Nor does it violate NPOV, as the article does not take a stand on the declaration. However, it may violate undue weight. (That's not a BLP violation.) This
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Nugent's right-wing views translate to his politics. During a concert in 2007, while Barack Obama was campaigning for president, Nugent said to the audience "Obama, heâs a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun."need more than a broken link In the same interview, he said regarding
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I just put this up here to note that the article lacked this section. Also I wanted to know why illegal hunting charges were listed under Nugent's activism. I made no changes to the article itself only asked some questions and made some comments here on the talk page. Now it seems some over
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If the sources say that it's racist it should be atributed to them. It should not read that Ted Nugent is racist. It should read that he is thought be because of what ever. Use the sources and do not add any personal bias.Sources can be found that say he's not raciist and he didn't mean that
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Besides the obvious formatting issues present in the paragraph, there are no sources cited. Knowledge's policy on Biographies of living persons says, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedâwhether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just
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What "racist" remarks? In the introduction of the article it states, "Nugent has made a number of crude and racist comments against President Barack Obama." The "racist" part is not true , and defamatory, It needs to be removed. Once this protection is ended I am removing it myself.
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is the result of their musical career, not their politics. Given that we're in the middle of this current news cycle, there's absolutely no evidence that the importance of these comments will stand the test of time. I say wait a while and revisit the issue 6-24 months from now.
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I am having trouble finding the original quote. The website does not list Nugent. Additionally, the quote makes no sense as MA has an alive and well concealed weapons law. Any ideas on where we can find the actual quote? Is there any possibility that it's fabricated?
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returns to the word mongrel when you google it. There are mongrel bands, mongrel websites, mongrel hardware, you name it. But, if you insist on the linkage, then FIRST accuse Barack Obama of having ties to the Aryan nation for HIS use of the word on The View.
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Thanks for sharing that for further discussion. One thought is that this also merits a controversy section. Alternately, another thought is to simply create a freestanding section on "allegations of racism" that could then include these quotes.
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Looking at 4 of these sources, I see that the comments are called "outlandish", "crude", "inflammatory", etc., but not "racist". Other comments, not mentioned in the articles, were ascribed to Nugent and were called racist, however.
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incident did receive attention in Dubuque, but I don't see any coverage beyond Dubuque. Since the subject is a nationwide star, an incident in a small city that didn't get wider attention might not be worth including.
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THINK. MY PA MADE NINE LANDINGS UNDER FIRE IN THE JAPANEESE ISLANDS IN WW2. I WILL SAY NO MORE UNTIL YOU CONTACT ME. " Can you explain why you think comments like that could result in improvements to the article?
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tells the same story on CNN.He says the High Times story was a prank on the "high" reporter and told the prank story to the Texas Tribune.The videos are on Youtube if anyone wants to find them.
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ha ha, apparently you lost the edit war to someone more determined! Considering his actively putting himself forward as a patriot/public figure you'd think draft dodging would be note worthy.
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The apocalypse: "The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil."
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Really? Ted has been a professional musician since age 9? That seems highly unlikely, can this statement be somehow clarified or sourced? Maybe he has been performing publicly since 1958.
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Jailbait by Nugent: Well I dont care if youre just thirteen You look too good to be true I just know that youre probably clean Theres one lilâ thing I got do to you
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