Talk:Die Hard/Archive 1

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non-essential to the plot. There are more key details though that are part of the narrative: that Holly wisely tries to avoid giving away her identity to Gruber to protect herself and John (who's sticking with an alias over the open channel), and hence why they punch out Thornburg at the end for ruining that, for example (this is what I meant, there's no rhyme or reason for this punch at the end in the current version). It's also necessary to establish that John and Sgt. Powell develop this friendship during the situation despite what the rest of LAPD says, making the ending where Powell is able to fire his gun more important. Perhaps the fire hose scene might be a small detail, but this seems to be one of those scenes everyone remembers about the film, so it can't hurt if there's space to include it. --

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terrorists by name, but from what I recall that was to help explain scenes rather than just keep saying "McClane fights a terrorist", "McClane kills a bunch of terrorists", "McClane shoots a terrorist then fights Gruber". The new version doesn't even mention Karl by name and he's the secondary villain. It only refers to the villains as terrorists when they're thieves pretending to be terrorists, and focus on minutiae like using the fire hose, punching Thorburg, the alias Roy Rogers and setting up that Gruber doesn't know who McClane is. The original plot wasn't perfect because it's been expanded upon repeatedly over time, but a complete rewrite still over the plot limit isn't the answer, and the new plot sacrifices details to focus on other details.

2694:, is documenting the film scene by scene rather than a more broader overview of the work. I tried to shorten it and add key themes (namely that Holly's choice to use her maiden name and Thornburg's reporting to reveal her connect to McClane, and Powell's fear of shooting guns and how it plays into the end) while very much skimming over when all the henchmen die, but this was reverted, claiming that we need to document all the henchmen. This is not an appropriate plot summary for a Knowledge article; we aren't recapping (which is where each and every henchmen would be important) but summarizing, thus focusing on the principle characters. -- 2759:) was the main henchman of Hans Gruber, who had an important part because McClane killed Karl's brother & Karl was the henchman Powell killed and his name was removed from the plot summary, which wasn't necessary for one thing. Another thing, there could be ways to compromise plot summaries with important events and names of henchmen kept. I rather have the henchmen names kept to be honest, but with the Knowledge rules on plot summary, we need to find a way to ensure the compromise some things in plot summaries when it comes to some important events and names of varioud henchmen in some films. 2226:"In the scene where McClane realizes that the man he has met on the roof, Bill Clay, is actually Hans, the actual reason he's able to tell is because he saw 'Bill' looking at his watch, which is the same special expensive watch as the terrorist McClane killed had, and he saw others wearing while he was standing above them in the elevator, but this information was dropped from the film. In the shown version, McClane glances at the workboard behind Hans and sees the name W. Clay, implying he's sussed out that the man is lying and is Hans." 31: 2879: 4145:. "Minor characters" who have as much screen time and lines perhaps as of the henchmen in this film are also presented in this format. And unlike The Avengers, they aren't part of an extended universe. Even though they aren't henchmen or goons or anything, still who the hell remembers some of the characters in those films? Atleast the henchmen in this film have a personality. That's my take on it, it's really not worth getting into big arguments over this. --- 3486:. But, I have to ask what defines "best and memorable"? Clearly, we cannot go by what editors feel is important. All that matters is what the sources say. For the sake of brevity and clarity, we have to limit the plot and cast to those characters and events that are truly of importance. People can go edit a Wikia article or some other fan page if they want to talk about their favorite character. That is not what we are here for. --- 3415:

you want made, and I didn't really care to argue about it on Scarface. Bare lists are frowned upon on Knowledge. You are removing names based on a personal preference, and removing information without a cause. Character descriptions do not cause issue on many featured articles. I am in complete opposition to the changes being made, and I would prefer if you stopped doing it across articles and forcibly changing it back when reverted.

3885:. The idea of "named roles" to me means a rough distinction between active roles and passive roles (e.g., "onlooking bystander"), though of course that should not prevent us from identifying famous people in unnamed roles where applicable. The henchmen being named is a reasonable indicator of noteworthiness. Considering that some of the actors here are blue-linked, it seems to be in the spirit of 627:

killed. That "sigh of relief" isn't a sigh of relief, it's subtext along the lines of "oh no he's dead", but not sarcastic like I think I sort of made it sound. Of course he's pleased that he didn't reveal Holly's identity, he wouldn't have, Ellis obviously had a crush on Holly and would never have done her over like that. His pause was only a last ditch effort to help Ellis save his own life.

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that is still occurring in today's times. Can you understand what that means? What was rewritten with "McClane kills the terrorists early in the plot summary" and adding some material that are merely unnecessary subplots does not help with the movie's encyclopedic tone because of it's influence of today's action movies. That is a reason why it needs to leave it as is.

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revelation. But Gruber already knows his name because of Ellis by this point, knowing his name doesn't do anything and so the emphasis on him using an alias doesn't add anything. I put in a mention of Tony being Karl's brother. Unless I'm missing something the plots cover the exact same elements now except the current one offers more clarity on certain things.

4484:"In contrast to their on-screen relationship, Bedelia and Rickman spent most of their time between scenes together. Veljohnson similarly spent much of his free time with Rickman" perhaps these two sentences can be merged into something like "In contrast to their on-screen dynamics, Bedelia and Veljohnson spent most of their time between scenes with Rickman". 3676:

editors are pushing for the addition of crew as well. This list doesn't include "Cop #2", it's named people who are present in the film. People can have brief cameos in Marvel films and be listed. There's no reason to remove them here, and bare lists are frowned upon, so it is actively removing something not causing harm for something which is not preferred.

1614:. Other changes included the older hero of the novel becoming younger, the hero's daughter becoming his wife, and the American Klaxon Oil Corporation becoming the Japanese Nakatomi Corporation. The novel's tone is darker and more serious than the film's, and the novel's politically motivated fighters became thieves pretending to be terrorists in the film. 4334: 2230:

clue that Gruber was lying was the way he held his cigarette. McClane held his cigarette in a V between two fingers, while Gruber held his between the thumb and his fingers. The latter is less common in the US, which could have been a clue to the observant McClane that "Bill Clay" was European, not American as he pretended.

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fire-fight ensues as the henchmen rush in. Hans tries to give instructions in German ("Shoot the glass!"), but when Karl does not understand them, he needs to reitterate them in English. If truly German, he would speak the instructions more slowly and loudly in German; but rather he spoke in English.

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Not for this movie. The rewrite of this movie's plot summary isn't a correct answer for an article like that. There maybe issues with what it's got, but this movie is too far different from the other film articles because the movie is too unique is many levels and it set an tone for many action films

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No sound argument has been made in favor of keeping these names other than "personal preference," so it's a bit ridiculous for you to accuse me of that. I have no personal preference, but I can certainly tell which characters are minor, and most of the henchmen are minor. And, yes, so are McClain's

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The movie's plot itself is written better as is then what Masem thought of. What Masem wrote didn't help improve anything important about it and therefore, removing the "minor" characters & descriptions was completely unnecessary for many reasons because the plot summary with those named henchmen

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I think viewers are missing the point about Karl's confused look. It isn't that Hans didn't enunciate the instructions correctly; the confusion is that the instructions seem odd to give in the middle of a fire-fight. The second command (given in english so the viewer would understand the command) was

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Using the gangs names means you don't have to keep saying things like "one of Gruber's men, two of Gruber's men, some of Gruber's men", or saying "Gruber's men are killed" which then raises the question why he has more men later, using many words where 1 will do. Like actor names, I don't count names

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After one false start, I had reduced the plot to remove the names of all of Gruber's men involved as it made the plot increasingly complex and avoided some of the broader plot concepts (like the fact that McClane attempts to mask his identity and how that leads to Holly's identity being discovered).

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lights. McClane stares at a PRETTY GIRL in her bedroom. She's wearing drop dead underwear right out of the Victoria's Secret catalog. As we watch, she flops down on her bed, and with one long leg in the air, effortlessly dials a call on her high-tech phone. It seems so

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Godunov is pretty much a no brainer. His name is on the poster (Veljohnson's isn't BTW). Atherton and Gleason have substantial screen time. Atherton is in it from virtually the beginning and the only time that Powell is seen without Robinson next to him is the five minutes until the body lands on his

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I was a little shocked to see the nude pinup girl image that McClane passes a few times appear in Trailer A, which is on the second DVD of the 2 disc release. Did this actually play in theaters as we see on the DVD? And also, how were those scenes edited for TV? Did they let it slip there as well?

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films, and while it's nice to have someone acknowledge on-wiki that I don't just "pretend" to like those films as an excuse to fight over the Knowledge articles, trying to "win" an argument by talking about how your movie is better than mine is not what I had in mind. The amount of "personality" the

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This isn't about fan-scrutinized detail, it's about what makes this article flow better because of it's revolutionary nature and how it set an example of action films today. Removing such detail makes it all less encyclopedic and appealing to readers. Do you I'm not the only one who knows that? This

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So ... your argumnent for including irrelevant details that are only important to fans is that you are yourself a fan and consider this to be a groundbreaking, exceptional and extremely important film? It might be (many people I have great respect for have described it that way), but that would seem

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That's not my logic at all. In the MCU films, all those minor characters have a clear establish past history that extends beyond the film, they are not introduced new to this film. In Die Hard, none of the mooks have any history or background development outside of potentially Karl. On the children,

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You are failing to see the clear picture of this, Masem. There is no harm to all leave the named henchmen on this article like Darkwarriorblake said. There's a reason why it's fine where it is. This film is not like the other films with various henchmen that are unnamed and that the movie itself has

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has some circumstances that are different than the majority of the other film articles and that is why it needs those contents. It helped revolutionized many action movies with the elements, all through the current years of our action films and there are reasons we have to make some plot elements on

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Screentime and/or number of lines or even memorable scenes is not a great means of defining minor characters. Minor characters are ones that aren't critical to the narrative. This is proven out when you look at secondary coverage of this film. The hencemen get nearly next to no coverage at all. This

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Everybody in this discussion needs to calm down and reach a consensus. I am not accusing OldJacobite of anything, but I have personally had my edits immediately and forcibly removed for what seem to me to be petty reasons. "Minor characters" are generally considered to be characters with only one or

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Yours and Masem's is no better either. None of it helps the flow of the plot summary at all and make no sense telling everyone that "McClane kills the terrorists" early in the plot summary, which would deviate the flow of the plot of the movie. All the other stuff Masem previously added we're merely

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The problem is that there are a lot of "mindless" action scenes in this film - good cinema, but crappy for exposition and here for plot summarizing. We don't need to summarize every encounter. Maybe there's something to be said about keeping Karl named, but all the other mercs are swap-out-able, and

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Re-watching the Original Die Hard in preparation for the fourth film, it occured to me the the original seems to imply the Hans, while posing as a German (who then poses as an American) may not actually be German. The key scene being after Hans is revealed to not to be William Clay to McClain and a

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The name McClane sees on the workboard is Wm. Clay, but Wm. is an abbreviation for William, commonly shortened to "Bill". When McClane sees the name, it only helps to confirm Gruber's story; the film implies that Gruber saw the same workboard and picked up the name from there. What may have been the

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I'd always heard that the show "Family Matters" is sort of a spin-off of this film as it features Al's character playing exactly the same character he did in the film, including his profession. Nothing is mentioned about this in the article (and perhaps it's the stuff of urban legends. Any thoughts?

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yes, his remark really is funny. but he still is right, you know. some sentences are acceptable, while others are just ridiculously wrong.the same is true for the actors' pronounciation. i'd suggest to add a short note to the article about the various mistakes in grammar, diction and pronunciation.

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For an encyclopedic article, do we really need a "Goofs" section? If the content of the section is informative, could we at least refer to the section as something a bit more encyclopedic than "Goofs". I do tend to appreciate movie-articles that contain a "Scientific Inaccuracies", but much of the

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No, of course I wasn't "worried" (I'm of the opinion that Die Hard could have used more gratuitous nudity!), but it is a bit odd that the image of a naked woman was shown in a green band trailer and on TV uncensored. It's another example of content slipping through and now that you've confirmed it,

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Maybe in the edited plot. The previous plot was fine. We're not IMDb, and nothing on this article says it is trying to be. It's not filled with unnamed characters who appear in the background, stuntmen and extras, they're people with real screen time and impact, at least much as Takagi who is there

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We are not IMDB or a credits database. We're trying to summarize a film to get to the production and reception aspects. That means, not every named character (and I'd argue being only named in the credits is not the same as being named in dialog) is going to be of importance to cover. Additionally,

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Was any of that supposed to make sense? You have made no argument beyond "I don't like it," which, as you should know, is meaningless. The plot should be succinct and the cast section should list only characters who are important to the plot. On both counts, your preferred version is not better.

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Also when Maclane offered him a Cigarette, Gruber just took one without saying anything. They were the same cigarettes that Maclane stole from one of the other terrorists - European cigarettes. An American would have been slightly suprised or mentioned "gee these are different" but Gruber just took

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Unless the name of the weapon is called out, the specific model/brand is rarely important, just the type and even then, that's rarely important (a counterexample, is knowing McClane strapped a pistol to his back as to hide it in the end scene, as opposed to a rifle or the like). Further, we have to

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Hiding his identity under an alias didn't matter, she was there under the name Gennaro, he only knew who she was because he noticed her looking at her kids on the TV report about McClane and recognized the kid on the screen and in all her photos. It's a minor plot point that doesn't go anywhere, it

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Perhaps it was originally going to be product placement for something, but the deal didn't go through? A make of cordless phone or something? I suppose the purpose of the scene is to show that it's only the phones in McClane's building that don't work, that there's not some larger outage. To me the

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Because no reason has been given for removing them? They're named characters in a film that you can find third party sources for outside of IMDb, and by Masem's named logic, since any Marvel character can be listed for being a character in another film, then the McClane kids canbe listed for being

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as Young Cop #1 in this film is a minor character, he has about 2 lines and about a 1 minute of screen time. However, some of Han's "minor character" henchmen have some of the most memorable moments of the film, for example Uli stealing the snack bar, and of course have some lines and screen time.

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Battleship calm down. I disagree with the edit being made by OldJacobite. This is something I have either seen him doing across articles or been directly involved, where he performed the arbitrary cull, I reverted it, and he just reverted it back. It's a very brute force method of getting a change

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Precisely. Also, where did the idea that his watch was supposed to give it away come from? The watch we see in the elevator doesn't look especially expensive to me, and isn't he wearing it before he kills Karl's brother, anyway? I've always wanted to know how Hans knew there was an employee called

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I think the musical score, when Powell shoots Karl, is from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, when Kirk strikes back in the battle in Mutara Nebula (1982). (When I heard it in Die Hard, that scene in Star Trek, was the first thing that I thought of) Perhaps James Horner used that score as the basis

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This has long confused me, too. Quite early on during the terrorist takeover McClane stops to ponder his predicament, and gazes out of a window; there's a brief shot of a lady in a neighbouring building, played by Michele Laybourn, who is credited as "Girl in Window", although she's unrecognisable

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The point is that in the credits, you won't wonder who they're talking about when they mention the Terrorists, since they're referred to as such many times in the film (even if their motives turn out to be different.) If you see "crazed man" in some credits, you wouldn't argue that technically he

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In the cast section several characters are marked with the job "terrorist". Isn't the point of the plot that the gunmen taking hostages are in reality just robbers and not terrorists as they portray themselves? The political demands are after all just part of a ploy to take attention away from the

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In a film which features headshots, gun fights, villains being thrown off buildings and copious amounts of swearing you are worried about a barely seen girly calendar on the wall? In answer to your question, yes, it did for some bizarre, unknown, completely unresearable reason slipped through the

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Look. The cast has been there for ages, it is not, in any way, creating an issue for this article. To omit a chunk of named characters FOR NO GIVEN REASON is not acceptable, and no reason has been given, nor can a reason be given to remove a bunch of cast that are causing no harm, especially when

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Given that the intended clue (the watch) was cut from the film, anything else is likely to be supposition, but I've always read it as, McClane was suspicious but inclined to give "Clay" the benefit of the doubt - especially when he confirms the name on the board. However without absolute proof he

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Whether you agree if my edits are good enough for my page or not is irrelevant. This plot summary could use some work. I'll quit adding links to detail what weapons were used (although I think that the Beretta and the MP5 should be included) but I don't want you to revert my edits before you read

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I couldn't help but notice the mention of two of the terrorist characters being "made Italian" in the German dub of the movie. Even in the original English version definitely at least the character of Marco was intended as an Italian, if you turn on the subtitles when he speaks it reads "Speaking

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As far as I know as a native speaker of German "Fenster" is "neutral" to quote the term, that was used in the main article. "Das Fenster", not "Die Fenster", exept you are referring to the plural of "Fenster" (windows), which is "Die Fenster". Actually I never listened that close, whether Rickman

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While it is somewhat interesting to lay out the connection between the characters in the film, the "table" of the film's cast is hardly a valuable addition to the article. The "kidnapped" column is totally superfluous as only one person is marked and it could be argued that separating one hostage

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be used of an actor who is so identified with one kind of film that he comes to typify a genre. That could be said of John Wayne and the Western genre; or James Cagney and the gangster film. But I don't think an actor appearing in four films in one genre, no matter how well received, constitutes

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It's rather obviously implied actually, through indirect characterization of McClane as a compassionate man who doesn't want innocent lives lost like when he shoots the ground to shoo people off the roof or how he is visibly distressed and frightened (also for himself) when Takagi (spelling?) is

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It isn't clear when Ellis is shot whether McLain intentionally tricks Hans into thinking McLain *does* care about Ellis ("Ellis, you have to tell them you don't know me or they'll kill you!") and then breathes a visible sigh of relief when Ellis is killed without revealing Holly's identity. Did

4470:"Robert Davi and Grand L. Bush appear as FBI Special Agent Big Johnson and Agent Little Johnson, respectively" would making the first Agent "Agents and deleting the second Agent work better? "Robert Davi and Grand L. Bush appear as FBI Special Agents Big Johnson and Little Johnson, respectively" 3911:

For the record, and at the risk of contradicting myself, I'm okay with the cast listing in the format in which it currently appears (major characters on their own lines, minor characters bundled). I'd be more okay with some actual info about the process and all, but I realize that can be a tall

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The page says: Nothing Lasts Forever, a sequel to Thorp's earlier novel The Detective, was written with the intention of being adapted into a film sequel to the film adaptation of The Detective, which starred Frank Sinatra. When Sinatra turned down the offer to star in the sequel, the story was

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Well reading your version I don't see what it adds that the current doesn't beyond the alias thing which I explained above. Further to that, this " McClane encounters Gruber, passing himself off as one of the escaped hostages, and reveals his real name to Gruber." seems like it is meant to be a

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The real giveaway is this: we see McLane say "Welcome to the party pal" and he is clearly not shooting his gun. Meanwhile you can clearly hear that whoever was shooting at Powell hasn't stopped. So McLane is the one armed guy in the building that couldn't possibly be shooting up the police car.

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the film is influential (eg the "Die Hard on an X" trope). It is not because there is a large number of henchmen and how the hero deals with them. It is the hero up against a number of insurmountable odds while fighting the villain's multilayered plan. The henchmen exist to help execute it and

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I have a degree in English and I'm not familiar with the term, so I would instinctively argue against using it if there's a more commonly-known synonym. I tried to find a clear definition (though not very hard) and wasn't able to clearly conclude whether the term's being used correctly in this

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Exactly. The complete rewrite of the plot summary isn't the answer. The new version makes no sense based on Masem's argument and all the new things he wrote on it are mainly subplots. I mean, does it count? It doesn't. Also, Karl was the secondary villain and Masem removed him name on the plot

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The first point is that both versions are over the word limit. However Masem's argument that the original version doesn't cover Thorburg's report is false, and the subplot about Powell and his gun is not important to the overall plot, it's a character subplot. The original version mentions the

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There german speaking is ridiculous! The pronunciation is harder than the real german and the accent sound like a mix of native english speakers and germans from south-germany. Especially the 'r' is very english. You don't here any complete sentence, only cusses. They wanted to have the german

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I'm in the agreement with both Darkwarriorblake and Ducktech89. You are reverting things that make film articles more encyclopedic. Some of those "minor characters" have more memorable moments than you think in some of those movies & character descriptions does not affect anything on film

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helps flow the story of it and some of the characters deleted return in the later movies (McClane's children for example). This is not a way to improve things like this in this article and all you did TheOldJacobite is cramp a lot of this article by removing the necessary information on it.

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A one darkwarriorblake keeps reverting my supposedly "good faith" edits. I think that it at least should be noted that the plot summary could use some work. Blake seems to think that his summary should be the only one allowed which I despise. If you think my edits are overdetailed, that's

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In the original screenplay (which is pretty damned close to the final film, minus a line or two) it clearly states that it is a barrage of machine gun fire from Alexander on the third floor. Also, you can see clearly on the DVD that the gun fire is coming from a much lower floor than John

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Far different situation, since every single minor character is a previous character prior to the film; plus recognized as a massive crossover event, I would expect to have the full list there. These are all novel characters here, so only those pertinent to this film should be covered.

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It's not the size that was the problem. It is that by trying to capture the fate of every of the mooks that Gruber brings (outside of Karl, Tony, and Theo) spends too much time on specific scenes instead of capturing the larger essence of the film. That's what's cautioned against at

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Again, most of the henchmen in this film are interchangable; it doesn't matter what their names are as their persistence to the plot is non-existence (outside of Karl and Theo), they are bodies that either chase Mclain or Mclain kills. The names are not at all relevant to the plot.

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Any particular plot point of this scene played by Michele Laybourn? Some have suggested that either something was cut from the film or it was designed to frustrate John McClane even more due to not being able to make phone calls after the lines were cut. Any other clues out there?

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Nope, you are all wrong. 'Fenster' has a neuter article, as in "das Fenster". The phrase he says has 'Glass' as the direct object, and the articles change from "der, die, das, die" to "dem, der, dem, den". He is saying "Shoot the glass" which is correct as "Scheiss dem Fenster"...

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towards a word count since they're a necessary element, that said the plot is now 674 words and covers the major plot elements. I really don't think the names harm it at all and maybe make up 20-25 words in the total plot if you do actually count them against the word count limit.

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My inclination is to agree that listing all of the essentially interchangable henchmen is not ultimately an improvement, and that whether one, for instance, steals candy during the film isn't a significant distinguishing characteristic. It's certainly of no relevance to the plot.

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So, if we use the criteria of the above, how about we word it as something like "stars Willis and Rickman and features Bedelia, Godunov, Veljohnson, Atherton and (yes) Gleason", or just have Willis and Rickman and leave out the supporting players. Would this satisfy all parties?

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should the article make mention of this? And has the Trailer A with the shot been featured on other DVD's that shouldn't contain nudity? (This also reminds me of Brad Pitt's pornography covered shirt in the trailers and TV spots for Fight Club, albeit with more visibility.)

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characters who were named with lesser screentime than the majority of the named henchmen on that movie. Rewriting the plot of it and removing those characters isn't exactly the answer here. It takes away the more encyclopedic tone of that movie. It's best to leave it as is.

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btw: it baffles me every time over, that multi million dollar movie projects seem unable to hire a single native speaker to check the script and train the actors in the correct pronunciation (given the actors are not native speakers) - Yamok 10:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

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that is entirely coincidental - Loaded Weapon (1993) was released 2 years before other film (1995) so it cannot be a deliberate reference to it. If someone wants to re-instate it as a ironic twist of fate that would seem a possiblility, but not one I think is needed.

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I don't think John McClane actually shot at Sergeant Powell's car. I think he threw the body on it, and then the terrorists in the building (who had been watching Powell check out the building) opened fire on him to try and prevent him from radioing for more help.

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I've only seen the film twice, so I might be wrong, but were the minor henchmen even given names in the film proper (as opposed to the credits)? If not, naming them in the plot summary but not elsewhere might present WP:V issues. I've actually seen Bob Chipman's

4477:"The role was also offered to, and declined by" not sure if the declined by is truly needed. It would be inherently implied they wouldn't accept the offer. "McTiernan's then-girlfriend happened to be sat next to a representative of CinemaScore on a plane" -: --> 3093:

I don't think you should borrow some of the language. But we need to find some better term word for it. That's for sure. That movie was instrumental of setting an tone for various action movies about a lone hero fights overwhelming odds to avert threats like

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I can understand the aspect about Karl, and would reinsert that pointing that Karl seeks vengence for McClane killing his brother early in the film, but outside of Theo, that's the only real name needed for any of Gruber's men to make the plot make sense.

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Which actors are a "no brainer" is highly subjective, depending on the viewer. I don't really care enough about this to argue with another editor on a power trip so I will not revert right now. Just leave these bit players in with headliner Bruce Willis.

3150:"very few films become so ensconced in the pop consciousness that their titles actually become descriptors of an entire genre (Groundhog Day is another)" The term used in the source is "descriptor". Still not the best word, but much better I think. 1543:

However, the page about the book itself says: Nothing Lasts Forever was originally adapted as a sequel to the Arnold Schwarzenegger film Commando, but when Schwarzenegger turned down the role, the script was retooled in 1988 for the film Die Hard.

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schießen". So "Zerschieß das/die Fenster". It is, however, quite more common to use the simple worde "schießen", which does not have a direct object, with a directional adverbial, and so a German would normally say "Schieß auf das/die Fenster".

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You're wrong. "the" as direct object translates to "den, die, das; die" and so it would at least be "das" (the window) or "die" (the windows) if any. However, "to shoot" with a direct object, meaning to destroy something, translates as

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I think the term metonym is not the best word to use here. Not only is it not the best word to use, but I think it may be used incorrectly. Maybe "became an archetype for an action film"? There is probably even a better word to use.

4028:, we don't write it as such. We capture the larger film as a whole and avoid scene-by-scene. The problem of the cast list and the plot are tied together; if we have to fix the cast to remove the henchmen, then so does the plot. -- 3893:. I do not find including the details to be outright detrimental to Knowledge to warrant complete exclusion. Not including them in the main list seems to sufficiently downplay their importance in relation to the rest of the cast. 437:

from the others is hardly "kidnapping." As far as mapping out who killed who (and how), it doesn't strike me as particularly encyclopedic. I think the whole thing should be scrapped, save for the basic info (character - actor). --

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Maybe he knows hands isn't bill clay because he sees him and Karl arguing about Karl's brother that McClaine has killed ("now I have a machine gun, Ho Ho Ho ") as McClaine is hiding , looking down at them in the lift shaft !

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two lines of dialogue, less then a few minutes of screen time and being listed low down on the priority list on the cast obviously this isn't a concrete definition but seems to be the common consensus. For example let's say,

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I can "understand" your argument, but I don't agree with it. It essentially comes down to this being a unique and important film justifying our inclusion of an excessive amount of fan-scrutinized detail in the plot summary.

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may be McClane's intention but it doesn't serve anything. I mean he knows his name 1h20m into the film, it doesn't change anything for 40 minutes until the news report. So hiding his identity or not didn't affect anything.

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No one has said that we cannot add, as prose in the cast section, a statement like "X, Y, and Z played Hans' henchmen"; we just don't need their names since they have little impact as individual characters on the plot.

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Please sign your edits for clarity in discussion. I'd suggest that the movie is simple enough to imply the first interpretation. Others, feel free to update the plot section if there's no strong argument against.

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The plot summary is not encyclopedic. If you are insisting we have to name each henchmen and the manner of how they interact with McClane, you're effectively forcing this to be a scene by scene summary, which per

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Exactly...... Yippee Kai yay= song lyrics. Yippee kai ya motherfucker= made up for the movie. Nothing I said changes. It was made up for the movie. It's not a "cowboy expression". Move along, nothing else to see.

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I see no reason that we need to list minor characters (for example, henchmen who do nothing but shoot and get shot) or tedious details about characters. The identification of the characters happens in the plot.

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isn't likely to hand *anyone* a real loaded gun and so keeps his options open. When Gruber thinks he has the drop on McClane, he gives himself away, but we then learn that the gun McClane gave him wasn't loaded.

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McLain do everything he could to save Ellis, and was lucky to keep Holly's identity secret, or did he pause, think of the best words to say to get Ellis shot, and then have his plan work out in Ellis's death?

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I can't remember this 100% (and I don't have ready access to the flick), but I'm almost certain the football game the front desk guard is watching is a USC-Notre Dame game. Can anyone with the movie confirm?

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Ok, so what kind of agreement are coming up with. I don't want to jump to conclusions but this conversation has gone on for over a month. For the record, I wouldn't really mind if the henchmen were listed as

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If we wanted to include them in the Production section because they're somehow significant that might be an option, but I'd very much like to see that significance demonstrated via third-party sourcing.

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for 3 minutes. To arbitrarily say that we include some criminals but we judge the others to not be that important is not policy, and there's nothing wrong with the amount of content there right now.

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You lost any right to moan the second you called someone a nazi for telling you that linking to weapon and watch brands was unnecessary. You linked to Rolex. What the hell purpose does that serve?

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subplots which is totally unnecessary to the important plot points of that movie. That is why the "minor" things you removed doesn't help anything either because of the factors I told you about.

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Yeah, we do. This movie's article is at much unique to the other film articles for a reason. The plot summary is written as is because it generally helps the flow of the plot itself better and

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says "dem Fenster" or "den Fenster", however, both expressions make no sense and are ungrammatical, so what's the big deal. On the other hand not all German expressions in the movie are wrong.

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I've had this argument before - all the mooks save for Karl and Theo are not necessary to be listed in the cast, and if you don't like them in the cast their names are useless in the plot. --

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There is a grammatical error in the plot summary "Gruber, wounded, crashes through a window but momentarily saves himself by grabbing onto Holly's wrist, nearly dragging out out the window."

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Secondary roles, in my experience, are grouped due to being less important than the primary roles. It does not have anything to do with past character histories; that is purely incidental.

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I think it means a smooth-talking person who is not what he seems, a person who conceals his selfish intentions under a "slick" facade of respectablity or unctuous concern. (Like the term

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I have to wonder whether a site that explicitly bills itself as discussing obscure characters is really the best choice to use for attempting to establish that a character is notable.

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McClane didn't "quietly observe" as Takagi got shot in the head. He panicked and gave himself away. The "quietly observed" makes McClane look insensitive and is overdetailed in itself.

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The current summary, in addition to exceeding FILM's 700 words, has a severe problem focusing on every single henchman and their fate in the movie. Because of this, the plot, against

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And by the way, you're making another joke with your misspelling "Scheiss dem Fenster". Though this article is incorrect to, it would be "das Scheiß-Fenster" (the f*etc. window). --

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In any case, I don't believe "lone-hero action film" is a recognized genre (though I'd welcome a source for it). At least, AFI sticks with the well established "action thriller".

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one where did you hear that? and two that is no way anywhere near true at all--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by

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Reginald and Willis would be the two main protagonists and not Rickman.--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by

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HagermanBot is still right, because Fenster is both singular and plural. One would think movie studios would keep someone on staff just for throw away lines like this.

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Removing this information on that movie would affect the plot flow of the summary of the movie and eliminate the more encyclopedic tone to it. That's an issue on it.

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Agree 100% that it is completely subjective. Perhaps the issue could be resolved with some third party sources saying that such-and-such actor "stars" in the movie.

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As no one has come back on this I'm going to change it to just Willis and Rickman as they are the two main protagonists. Hopefully this will end the disagreement. (

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The weapon that fires on Powell looks like an M60E3, which is the same as used by the Helicopter Gunner later on, when the FBI shoot at McClane on the rooftop.

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more times than the film itself, and he points out that die-hard fans (forgive the pun) can generally name off these characters, but do we really need to?

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set a tone for action films (which still goes on today). All the henchmen were named either by the film & end credits and it wouldn't matter anyway.

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The article had claimed that the movie was true to the book. I deleted this because in the book it was the hero's daughter not wife who was held hostage

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directed as more of an order from the "higher-ranking" thief, if there is such a rank-structure. Also, the third film confirms he is, in fact, german.

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It's due to the conversation he is having with Hans about American cowboy heroes and John saying he was partial to Roy Rogers. It's a cowboy expression.

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Italian" as opposed to "Speaking German". Did the German dub actually change other characters or was just this a mistake on the original editors part.

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Rather a moot point given that the section in question no longer exists within the article. As you can see, this thread is over six years old. Cheers.

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VelJohnson is the only one of the four in question who fits the "star" label. To say Atherton, Gleason, or Godunov "star" in this movie is laughable.

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I have reverted your edit as this argument has no basis in fact. If you would care to discuss the facts as placed above, I would be happy to answer. (

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after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add

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includes it as scene 51-A, and suggests that it was originally going to be slightly ruder - perhaps along the lines of the contortionist scene in

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articles and you are forcibly and irrationally removing them based on your own personal beliefs, not in the best interests for film articles.

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No I doubt Bruce Willis is willing to do a Die Hard 5. He is too old for that now. Can you give a link to the website that did the article?

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It would be nice to have a picture on this page, like a movie poster. anyone know how to get one that isnt copyrighted? they have them for

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script seems to suggest it was originally going to be something more, but maybe that's just the way the guy writes. He could have just put

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Ellis also sports an slicked-back hairstyle that could be called "oily." I think it's a perfect description for the character, actually! --

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to have almost nothing to do with the issue at hand and doesn't make any sense to those of us who don't necessarily share your opinion.

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While deciding which actors to call the "stars" of the movie is essentially subjective, I agree with HM and Crotchety Old Man on this.

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I feel most of these will generally be minor nitpicks that can either be implemented or not, it wouldn't truly affect the page much.

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Delving deeper though, are there sources that have declared this to be the case? If so, maybe borrow some of their language instead?

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I was just reading through this page and got intrigued by this too. That link to the script above doesn't seem to work any more, but

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Exactly. There are very good reasons why the henchmen on this movie should be kept there instead of removing them in this article.

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The film turned Willis into an action star, and became a metonym for an action film in which a lone hero fights overwhelming odds.

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Which is probably why Karl looks at him confused! :) (Which of course gives Hans an excuse to say it in English for the audience!)

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I have never seen another action film where there are a number of "expendables" that have bit roles be spelled out (for example

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phone, for example? It seems very specific for what is such a short and simple scene. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

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I'm not sure if that's needed to name them; noting they exist ends up being important in the fourth film, but that's it. --

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summary, which was unnecessary. The original version helps explains the plot summary better than the new version ever did.

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as the specific make/model of weapon is not relevant to the plot. Generic terms work fine for a reader's understanding.

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information is there for a reason because of those factors and that serves it's propose. It's best to leave it as is.

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is only on screen for 4 minutes, but is remembered as one of the best and memorable characters of the entire film.---

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The m-f- part was made up, but the "yippy ky aye" part does come from an old cowboy expression -- like in the song "

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Ok to just end this, it's easy to find sources about the henchmen. These two are jsut off the front page of google

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Who is the band and what is the title of the music that played in the limo when Argyle and John were talking about

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This is not about that. It's about the flow of the story and what is essential to the encyclopedia of this film.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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He was armed only with his service pistol. Whether you want to add the brand or not, it's a major plot point.

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Or if you're actuaally asking this question (as curiosity) then perhaps you could try the films imdb page.

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Does anyone know what the denomination of the bill is that Karl pays Theo in the beginning of the movie?

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I really can't see any other issues with the page outside of these. Tackle these, and that should do it.

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subsequently as targets for the hero, but they are not critical for the overarching theme of the film. --

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Both is wrong and doesn't make sense! Right is: "Schieß auf die Fenster!", or "Zerschieß die Fenster!".

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Did the 4th movie will have McClane's daughter in it? The last I heard it was going to be his son.

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I was just told that USHER RAYMONDS is the limousine driver in the first part of the movie. LOL.

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understandable. However, I wish to contribute to this page, so please stop reverting my edits.

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was probably just mentally ill -- it just helps you identify which actor they're talking about.

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I agree that you were correct to remove this. I have tried to cut down some of the trivia, per

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I'll snag this one. Big fan of the movie, and I am actually surprised it isn't GA already.

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Bill Clay! I've deleted the above post about the watch until something better can be added.

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In the meantime, let's please leave the summary as it is pending a consensus here. Thanks.

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Easy to mix the two guys up, I know, but perhaps someone can confirm one way or the other.

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that several of them do go nameless in the film proper) have is frankly irrelevant.

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and such. So we will need some better, more meaningful term for this matter.

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Should'nt there be a disambiguation page for die hard (with lower-case?

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Lead is concise, touches on just about every aspect of the article.

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Concise and clearly the common name when one thinks "Die Hard". --

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Let's cool things down a bit here please... To link the weapons is

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If you read that last bit it almost sounds like an advertisement:

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stringent TV censorship net and made it to the worlds TV screens.

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for Aliens (1986) but it sure sounds like the Star Trek score.

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You're right, he just throws the body, he doesn't fire on him.

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It's not a cowboy expression. It was made up for the movie.

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to me...not sure how this info would improve the article?

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That is taken care of by the first line of this article.

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