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SF Bay Area. This is very densely populated area that is has one of the highest concentration of progressives. Also, there is now nothing disruptive occurring with these accounts being closely watched. They are contributing the the project in a positive manner, as I am. This is more than can be said of
Ultramarine. For all I know Ultra is a CIA agent working through Freedom House and has targeted me for elimination by seeding various other accounts within proximity to create the set-up of an appearance of socket-puppetry. But I am no conspiracy theorist, although it's no coincidence that WP's right wing has wanted me banned for years now. Likewise, the conspiracy that I am master-minding all this should be also be dismissed in absence of any hard evidence. Instead, I choose to take the common sense middle ground taken by other admins already: assume good faith, give appropriate warnings with conditional unblocking and keep monitoring. That is what was done with these other accounts, and it seems to be working. Ultra needs to stop fishing and "battling" in WP.
967:“Now Ultramarine thinks this little quip from Ferguson is so important that it should go into several articles where there is neither evidence of commentary by Pinter nor evidence of any source making the claim that the U.S. is culpable of all 200,000 deaths. He has inserted the same quote in this civil war article, in Foreign Policy of the United States, in 1954 Guatemalan Coup D'etat, had formerly inserted it into Allegations of States Terrorism Committed by the United States, and Church Committee and who knows where else. The Polity Data information is inserted in pretty much the same places too!”BernardL (talk) 20:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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suspicious, which I think can be provided, if needed, as evidence of my innocence. However, it should be pointed out all these allegations rest on only appearances which can be explained by good faith alternative explanations. References to my ancient past (by wiki-standards) should not be relevant. I was given a blank slate, and have adhered to all the rules in good standing. I point out that
Ultramarine has gone through arbitration for “sterile edit warring” yet continues to engage in that behavior (but this is cause for a separate arbcom case).
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already been taken. There has been nothing new since. Ultramarine’s stop here at arbcom is simply his latest stop in board shopping on an issue that has already been looked at and dealt with, correctly. Therefore, this is a frivolous case. If there was something new the very competent admins on top of the situation would be the ones to go to. There is no debate/controversy among admins as to the solution that was implemented already that would require Arbcom to waste their time dealing with it.
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brought to my attention first by her posts. If they are good and needed in other article, then I use it. This is evidence of borrowing, not socket-puppetry. I also point out she has been editing since last year, and in an area that I never edit in. She seems to have some medical knowledge, for example. I'm not a doctor.
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So has there been some mimicry among editors dealing with
Ultramarine? Yes. Also, I do confess that some of the editors made me feel a little uncomfortable and I did raise the issue via e-mail to another editor that the appearances of socket-puppetry was a concern when I first noticed what could look
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So in this context, its not surprising that we find the other two editors involved, myself and Dr.Gabriela making the same statements, addressting the straw man fallacy being advanced by
Ultramarine. In fact Dr.Gabriela has to make the statement twice, and only raises it to all caps, after he ignores
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About the locations, my understanding is that this is within an area of 50 miles? I would not call that close, and I have had a few edit conflicts when attempting to leave message on the talk page at the same time as they have. As far as sharing a similar POV, this is not out of the ordinary for the
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An admin who I trust and had asked to look into this matter via e-mail informed me it was just a case of "mistaken identity." Although I was still concerned and suggested that maybe I should not edit these article anymore for a while, until these other accounts go away-- he said there was no need to
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Checkuser which still applies "All in all, there is a very disturbing pattern of new users with no prior history at Knowledge arriving and coming to all the pages he edits, agreeing with him on the talk page, reverting to his version, claiming consensus where none
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Does this make me a socket-puppet of
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Knowledge is more a battlefield to
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Giovanni33 in the findings of this decision, as well as any account subsequently identified by an administrator as a likely sockpuppet or proxy of him, are banned from Knowledge until such time as the ban on Giovanni33 is lifted.
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accounts, while not generally forbidden, is discouraged. Abuse of sockpuppet accounts, such as using them to evade blocks, bans, and user accountability—and especially to make personal attacks or reverts, or vandalize—is prohibited.
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Now, as to the evidence, although its already been discussed and settled, I’ll bring up just a few critical points that cast reasonable doubt. I called it smoke and mirrors, and in many this is
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Log any block, restriction, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here. Minimum information includes name of administrator, date and time, what was done and the basis for doing it.
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be found making the same comment! This is the classic fallacy of cherry picking, and the trick is exposed one you see that the full deck of cards are all the same!
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952:her point.
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120:Ultramarine
35:Case Closed
28:Case Opened
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82:/Evidence
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1736:MastCell
1731:contribs
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