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Ich lasse dich nicht, BWV 1164

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Was Bach copying or composing here? We cannot be totally sure, but from the evidence of the way the score is presented it suggests this was indeed composed by Bach, in which case it is the earliest surviving motet of his, dating from c. 1712/13, or possibly earlier, when he was employed at the Ducal
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sung by the soprano. Over-all the complexity and style of this movement's setting appears closer to similar works by a young Johann Sebastian than to somewhat less comparable works by a mature Johann Christoph. The closing chorale, a four-part setting of the "Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz" hymn
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tune, has the two last stanzas of that hymn as text. Leipzig performances of Bach's motets usually closed on the last stanzas of a hymn, so it can not be excluded that the chorale was added to the motet by Bach, some time after his appointment as
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The lingering attribution issue complicated the motet's reception history. In Leipzig, the motet was performed as Johann Sebastian's from the 18th to well into the 19th century. In the second half of the 18th century, Johann Sebastian's son
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There is scholarly debate about the exact number of motets attributable to Bach, and, as in some cases the circumstances of the first performance are not known, nor their function.
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described the piece as "one of the most beautiful works of German church music" but not "authentic", therefore giving Johann Christoph Bach as the composer. When
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mentioned Johann Christoph Bach as the composer, but in the second added that "the source evidence didn't permit a definite attribution".
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period around 1712. The chorale is a transcription of one of his organ pieces and was possibly added in the 19th century.
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in 1950, he followed Wüllner, placing the motet in the appendix and assigning "presumably by Johann Christoph Bach". When
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composition for eight voices without any form of instrumental accompaniment. The text of its first movement consists of a
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recording, with the Bach Collegium Japan, includes the motet without the closing chorale (recording time: 4:01).
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Notwithstanding an 18th-century catalogue entry apparently describing the motet as a work for four voices with
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The closing chorale was not part of the score but appeared first in the first print of the motet in 1802 by
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court in Weimar. In terms of style it gives the impression of occupying a mid way point between that of
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in 1999. Bach scholars now assume that J. S. Bach composed the first movement, possibly during his
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when it was first published in 1802. Around 1823 the motet was published as a composition by
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in 1787, transposed it from A minor to F minor and adjusted the time to the motet.
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Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn, BWV Anh. 159 (Johann Sebastian Bach)
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Examples of complete recordings of Bach's motets without BWV 1164 include
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Questions of authenticity in three motets attributed to Johann Sebastian Bach
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from whose anger he had fled many years before, after tricking his father
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The text for the first movement of the motet is a verse taken from the
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This article is about the motet. For the similarly named cantata, see
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in two movements was found, written partly in Bach's hand, in the
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in 1980, but included it in the 2011 live recording of the set.
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of the chorale, while the lower voices engage in imitative
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into blessing him with the blessing belonging to the
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in most English Bibles), and the third stanza of the
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Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn, BWV 157
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Index

BWV 1164
Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn, BWV 157
Motet
Johann Sebastian Bach
Johann Christoph Bach
F minor
BWV
BWV Anh.
A cappella
mvt.
BWV 421
Genesis 32:26
Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz
Zahn No.
Breitkopf & Härtel
SATB
BWV Anh.
motet
SATB
Johann Sebastian Bach
Johann Christoph Bach
movements
chorale harmonisation by Johann Sebastian
Dietel manuscript
basso continuo
a cappella
dictum
Genesis 32:26
Lutheran hymn
Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz

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