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328:Operational history
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114:General information
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1084:Air-Britain
1060:Taylor 1971
1045:November 3,
914:Piper Flyer
654:Performance
646:Propellers:
632:Powerplant:
562:36 ft
247:Beech Baron
233:Development
150:PA-30: 2001
64:introducing
2401:Categories
1789:PiperSport
1764:Pathfinder
1584:Challenger
738:References
586:Wing area:
243:Cessna 310
152:PA-39: 155
47:references
2307:E.18 (II)
2110:EE.1 (II)
1869:Tri-Pacer
1854:Super Cub
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1839:Sky Cycle
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165:1961–1972
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1006:Archived
951:Archived
832:Archived
766:March 2,
760:Archived
719:See also
421:Variants
314:Seminole
2213:Trainer
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1829:Sequoya
1759:Papoose
1629:Clipper
1589:Charger
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1544:Altaire
1186:Company
606:NACA 64
602:Airfoil
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1729:Malibu
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1178:Piper
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1984:TG-8
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1936:USAF
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1634:Colt
1512:Jets
1342:PA-8
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1332:PA-6
1312:PT-1
1110:ISBN
1088:ISBN
1047:2019
1022:ERAU
981:2010
768:2015
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119:Type
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2004:USN
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1959:L-4
1644:Cub
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1241:P-2
1236:P-1
1231:J-5
1226:J-4
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