Talk:2013 Atlantic hurricane season

1840:). And while I'm at it, from the same article "The absence of a major hurricane in the U.S. this season means the continuation of a record-long streak. On Oct. 24, it will be exactly 8 years since the last major hurricane of Category 3 strength or greater made landfall. Scientists fear this streak of good luck is leading to more severe cases of “hurricane amnesia,” which can complicate emergency preparation efforts the next time a monster storm threatens." But reading this article, one would never guess that we're looking at a hurricane season that is historically exceedingly weak. The total ACE is among the lowest ever. The ACE per storm is in fact the lowest since modern record-keeping began. And it's eight years since a major hurricane struck the US. These are amazing statistics, but the article barely hints at them. 2054:

predictive skill) on individual storms are not normally included in these articles. For example, Tropical Storm Lorenzo is expected to dissipate quickly due to shear (and other causes). There is good model consensus on this. The storm will probably be gone in less than 48 hours. If that prediction were included in the article now, it would be "notable", but, of course, it would be replaced by the information giving the actual date and time of dissipation after the fact. Or, if the storm defies expectations and lasts a week, the prediction might be replaced by some language noting its unexpected longevity, and the previous forecast, having been blown away by reality, would no long be notable. That's normal.

385: 581: 2558:"On May 23, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) predicted a range of 13 to 20 named storms, 7 to 11 hurricanes, and three to six major hurricanes. Following less activity than forecast, both agencies reduced their seasonal predictions in early August; CSU predicted 18 named storms, eight hurricanes, and three major hurricanes, while NOAA called for 13 to 19 named storms, six to nine hurricanes, and three to five major hurricanes. Despite the revisions, activity remained far below predictions, at 13 named storms, two hurricanes, and 0 major hurricanes." - Same here. 266: 571: 550: 373: 21: 413: 466: 445: 194: 2038:

For any season between 1950 and 2013 classified as “above normal”, there is a 90 percent chance that summer temperatures in Reykjavík were above average. Reliable forecasts for Atlantic hurricane activity might therefore make it possible to predict summer temperatures in Iceland with some accuracy. For this reason, I follow the predictions for and actual outcome of each Atlantic hurricane season very closely and find it useful being able to access both on the same page.

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is fine as is. Forecasting is not an exact science, they can be wrong and frequently are. Meteorology is a constantly developing field, and this just happens to be a recent example of a major bust in a forecast. They happen more than the media would lead you to believe (media is a terrible tool in my opinion...too manipulative, but I digress). Regardless, removing material that has merit within the article doesn't make sense.

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tropical storms. Of course the air is dry when there are no storms and low wind shear allows moisture from sea level to rise and condense into a storm. If that doesn't happen, the air is dry by definition. SAL can affect tropical wave cyclone formation. A peer reviewed article on dry air in low sheer conditions that affects cyclone genesis is needed, especially the Brazil claim which is novel. --

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especially at the beginning, this is certainly true. But we're now at the point where they have no more than minor historical value. There is no "notability" for predictions that are wrong, months after they were issued. Maybe we need to find a way to move these out after the season has concluded. Perhaps it's time to create an article on the topic of tropical season predictions history.

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is 28. Only two seasons since 1950 years have had lower total ACE: 1977 and 1983 (with 1972 just barely higher). In addition, since several short-lived, marginal systems were declared and given names, the average ACE (cumulative ACE divided by the number of storms) is actually at an all-time low of 2.5 for the period from 1950 through the present. The previous record was 3.4 in 1970.

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reliability, but that's not a feature of the individual tropical season. What I am suggesting, and it is only a suggestion, is that the details of these predictions should be retired to some other article on "Atlantic Tropical Forecast Skill" maybe. There is nothing "notable" to this article about completely wrong predictions --except maybe a simple statement to that effect.

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season'. This is already news and therefore "notable" even though the season isn't over yet. It is a significant property of the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season that it has been extraordinarily weak --the weakest in two decades. In fact, the failure of the forecasts has been dramatic. Here's an article referring to the season as a "forecast bust":

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The predictions are what the predictions are. Just because the season didn't match them, doesn't mean we cut down on the information. What inevitably will be done, is a fleshed out section on "Season activity" that describes why the predictions didn't pan out, rather than just remove information that

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It varies from storm to storm, how significant it is and what country we are talking about: A significant system like Sandy or Katrina hitting the states may have damage totals almost immediately but these arent always considered that reliable. If it is a minor insignificant system hitting the states

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For what it's worth, the 31 vs. 33 discrepancy noted above is due to whether sub-tropical values for Melissa should be included. ACE is apparently undergoing (or has undergone) a definition change. Anyway, the final number could be adjusted slightly as best-track reports for each storm are completed

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You say that the predictions are "wrong" but i would argue that at least the NOAA, UKMO, FSU Coaps are all within a reasonable margin error on some of their parameters as things stand with only 1-3 storms needed before the predictions are met. It is also worth noting that some people have told me in

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There's almost no indication in the article that this is turning out to be a record-breaking Atlantic tropical season: one of the weakest since modern record-keeping began. Of course the season isn't over yet, but there's not much time left. As of today, the season's Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE)

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Ok, now I REALLY see how the data plotting is done. You can't just continue on the same line with a different color bar. You have go to the next column, and keep track of where you would need to start the bar up again. Best to just keep referring to the description of the storm to get those kinds of

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Why is it that the NHC is starting to miss more tropical cyclones, especially those that don't seem to fit TC criteria at first, or those storms that develop just outside of the seasonal boundaries? Within the past 3 years, the NHC has identified a total of 2 unnamed Atlantic tropical storms, which

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While I'm at it, here's a nice "quotable" from Science magazine: "The current Atlantic hurricane season looks to be a near no-show with just two short-lived, minimal hurricanes (Category 1) so far with a month to go in the season and nothing stirring in the tropical Atlantic. And no major hurricane

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There are some clues in the story in USA Today referred to above. According to Klotzbach, the top reasons include "an increased amount of dry, dusty air from the Sahara Desert as well as "sinking" air over the Atlantic". And Feltgen says that what was not anticipated was "all the sinking motion and

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I would like to add the point of view of a general user. My interest in Atlantic hurricane activity stems from the fact that there seems to be a connection between this and the weather in North-West Europe, specifically Iceland (where many hurricanes end up after they degenerate into remnant lows).

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Yes, the predictions are what they are. But are they "notable" after the season is over, or mostly over, as it is right now? The predictions are certainly "notable" early in the season, and the mid-season revisions are notable at that time, but now? There is some minor interest in terms of forecast

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Because that's what all of the hurricane season articles have. Each season's forecast sections are all about the same length, so this one's is not "long-winded." Such predictions from NOAA, etc. reach the standard of notability and give the articles more meaning. You said yourself the season is not

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The claim of "records" in the season summary seems dubious at best. It merely states several "first since " occurrences. The date of Humberto becoming a hurricane is sneakily worded as well to make it seem more indicative of a record, whereas in actuality 2002 still retains the record in question.

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For wide-ranging reasons, many, many people are interested in the Atlantic tropical season predictions before and in mid-season. Of that there's no doubt. After the season is over, they are no longer "notable" as properties of the season itself. It's interesting to note that predictions (with good

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Yes, there have been small improvements in the article, but it is still conspicuously misleading suggesting only modest weakness and, with its emphasis on high forecasts, misses the most newsworthy aspect of this current tropical season. Consider this quote from NHC's Chris Landsea: “It’s not only

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Would there be any way to show when a storm hits the different stages in the Seasonal Summary? Currently, a long storm that may become a hurricane for only the last few days, displays as if it was a hurricane for the whole time. It would be interesting to see when it went from TD, to TS, to Cat 1,

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In typical cases, the storm isn't named because it's not recognized as being name-worthy until the post-season review. However, there's nothing in the article stating that this is the reason, and there are other possible reasons for not having a name. The article does say "The NHC operationally

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Thanks for your reply. You mention that "all" hurricane season articles have long sections on predictions. Of course, that's been true lately, but it's only recent seasons, and I suggest it's heading toward "article bloat". You say that these "reach the standard of notability". During the season,

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Interesting. I don't think worth including in the Atlantic season article (yet). Not until/unless the BT says Barbara crossed over. In that event (if it was remnants or something of the like), I think Barbara should be covered in the season summary, and not get its own section, since it's looking

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Do we have other sources for the "multiple sources of dry air" theory? Brazil contributions to hurricane activity are not established and as far as I can tell, Master's heard it from another person doing research that hasn't been published. "Dry air" is a chicken/egg problem for hurricanes and

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Meanwhile, the stunningly weak tropical season this year is certainly "notable" even before it's over. There are already numerous news articles talking about this weak season. If anyone is interested in following up, I suggest visiting Google News and searching on the phrase 'Atlantic hurricane

2818:"Andrea transitioned into an extratropical cyclone over South Carolina on June 7, though the remnants continued to move along the East Coast of the United States, until being absorbed by another extratropical system offshore Maine on June 10." - no need for the comma after "United States". 766:

It'll be like a normal storm. We'll note the origins of it (aka brief history of its time in the EPac) and continue with more detailed information on time in the Gulf. Also depends how the NHC treats it. If it becomes/stays a TC in the Bay of Campeche, it'll either just be Barbara, or be

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So why is this hurricane season so unusually quiet? And why weren't forecasters able to predict this? I think that we need to dig up some information concerning the answers to those questions and add them to the article. I'm pretty sure that many readers would appreciate that as well.

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the past off wiki, that it is interesting to some people to see what was predicted before the season and as the season progressed. However i am in agreement that the section needs cutting down. Also some of the stuff on the weak season, could go into the the seasonal summary section.

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The average Atlantic total ACE is just over 100, depending on what period is used to define it, so this season (assuming the 33 value calculated by wiki-folk is correct --other sources, however, list 31) is less than 33% of average. It's currently described in the article as 67%.

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During the 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season, both the NINO 3.4 region and the Atlantic equatorial region were more than 2°C below the baseline period (1991-2010). The increased Caribbean shear and is probably responsible for the surprisingly weak 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season.

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Well obviously, if we get word to the country, such as NHC re-initiating advisories on Barbara or something, then yea, it'll be different. IMO though, if there are no advisories, and Barbara is only treated as a remnant low, it shouldn't get its own section. --♫

2691:"After meandering for two days, it degenerated into a remnant low pressure area on December 7, about a week after the official end of hurricane season on November 30." - you already noted it was a week after the official end of the season, remove that part. 1252:

Couldn't you just start a new bar, using the new color, instead of extending the current bar and changing the color of the whole thing? It would be the same as when a storm stops, and then reforms later, but there would be no break between the bars.

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The infobox and current section should continue IMO, but the dissipation date should read June 7. We had the same issue with Sandy. I wonder how it will turn out with a remnant low that is not extratropical (i.e. Erin 2007 in Oklahoma) in the future?

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Based on the wording of the 8 am PDT advisory, it should NOT be added as an Atlantic storm at this time since although it is near the Gulf, it may not be a TC anymore based on the discussion and the wording is ambiguous on where it is actually.

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In contrast to the actual anemic nature of this tropical season, the article has a very long section on the predictions for an intense tropical season, which have turned out to seriously inaccurate. Why does the article need such long-winded

2175:" (my emphasis). So there are explanations for the low activity. However, what seems to be extraordinary about this season is that although there is an average number of named storms, only two hurricanes formed, neither of them a major one. 1421:

I believe it was designed so that when we have significant systems we dont have too fill out the seasonal article and the storm article properly. If you want to make any significant changes to the template id suggest that you wait until the

2793:"Despite strong wind shear and an abundance of dry air, the storm strengthened while initially heading north-northeastward, before re-curving northeastward later that day." - recurving is one word despite what the computer dictionary says. 1194:

Since neither Chantal nor any other system has to date become a hurricane in 2013, I think the phrase "not making landfall as a hurricane" is misleading at best. Perhaps that was meant to read, "not making landfall as a tropical storm"?

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Oh, THAT's what weather forecasting is. Thank you so much for explaining. Actually, of course, predictive skill does matter. In fact, it's the whole point of the predictions. Here's some reading on that topic for your entertainment:

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I got what your referring to but like i said i doubt it would be worth it, since the size of this page would expand rapidly due to all the extra coding that would be needed (eg 26 lines for a system that has 13 intneisty changes eg:

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When the average Sea Surface (or Skin) Temperatures Anomalies (SSTAs) in the NINO 3.4 region (compared to the 30-year baseline period for the date) are between -0.5°C and -2.0°C for a 3 month period, that is defined as an

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It's not just me saying that the predictions have been wrong. Go read some of the news articles discussing this season. Here's an article from over three weeks ago talking about forecasters being 'humbled' by this season:

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quiet, but it’s got the potential to be near record quiet for the Atlantic Basin.” Or this: "While pre-season outlooks rarely, if ever, have pinpoint accuracy, they don’t usually miss by such a large margin." (both from

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How about you being more clearer about what you are asking. From what I understand, you want to know why the U.S. is really the only country included in this article. Before I answer I would like a clearer question.

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If someone knew how they could get Andrea's damage total collated since the Storms Event Database was updated for June just before the shutdown (Maybe disable Java Script?) - As for Ingrid prob not until early 2014

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is significantly higher than I expected the count to be, but in the past, it has caught every single known tropical cyclone, including those that formed during December or January (like in late 2005-early 2006).

2633:'The season was above average most likely because of a lack of El Niño, warmer sea surface temperatures, lower than average sea-level pressures, and near-normal wind shear." - I'd put "most likely" before "above 3550: 1817:

We do have the latest monthly summary confirming the below activity, but, the season is still active. I think we should wait to add so we can get some proper context (and maybe even some comparisons). --♫

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It greatly depends on what happens - if the authorities find bodies then they can declare them dead straight away, if not then it can be anywhere up to 10/15 years before they can be officially declared

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treated it as a non-tropical low" but it's not clear when the NHC realized they had a name-able storm on their hands - was it during the storm, shortly after the storm, or during post-season analysis?

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Ah, I see now how the data plotting is done. That could get a bit messy. Maybe just one extra line per storm, showing where it changes from a tropical storm to a hurricane, assuming it does?

2958:" which is false using that wording. It was noticed operationally, just not warned upon. I might go through this more later to see if there are other issues that I feel need to be addressed. 3570: 751:

It is looking like there is at least a chance of such. How would a Barbara crossover (maintaining its name) be treated in this article? It would be uncharted waters in the Knowledge era...

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Yes, I see that it's been fixed now. It previously said "67% of average" and now reads "67% below average" (which is, I suppose, equivalent to 33% of average, which was what I suggested).

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When the infobox says strongest storm is it going by pressure or windspeed? If it is by pressure then it shares the lead with Tropical Storm Melissa both of which maxed out at 980 mbar. -

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From the source: "This is the quietest season for Atlantic hurricanes since 1982." Right now if things stay on course two records will be tied and while I am not trying to go against

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I've noticed that the line under Tropical Storm Barry in the Season Effects section is missing. Not sure how to fix, but a small problem. Can someone else please fix? Thanks!

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Also a reminder: the ACE per storm in 2013 stands at a record low, 2.5, for the entire period of modern record-keeping (1950-2013). The previous record was 3.4 set in 1970.

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that isn't in the main article is a bit more from the met history, so that is what I propose gets merged. The impact is literally an exact copy from the season section. ♫

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Seriously? I only count 3 uses. FWIW, in most of other sections, the storm name is used 4 times or more. In fact, I think only Dorian is used fewer times in its section.--

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Right. The ACE per storm this year is an all-time record low. In other words, the number of named storms is not unusual, but they have all been weak and short-lived.

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Lets wait and see what happens over the next couple of days rather than making up decisions like these on the hoof - it still could regenerate and be Barbara

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You're being far too combative about this to ever hope to reach a resolution. It feels like you're taking this personally at this point. I'd advise you to

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Chantal, the next cyclone, developed on July 8, not making landfall as a hurricane, but it caused flooding in the Antilles, causing 1 death in Maimón

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Can someone tell me how to edit the track map? There's a small update I need to add to the remnants of Chantal and I don't know how to do it. Thanks!

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What is all the info we know on the deaths from Ingrid? I know there have been 13-15 so far from Ingrid and Manuel combined, but what did what?

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Again, not another big issue, but can someone update the picture with all of the tracks please. I don't know how to, I'm new to this. Thanks!!

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140804070722/http://www.wsi.com/221144c3-0012-41a4-ab68-638335c7cba7/news-scheduled-forecast-release-details.htm

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The connection between the Thermohaline Circulation and the weakening of 2013 cyclone strength is unclear. The discussion is too indirect.

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over yet. So marking it now, with over a month and a half left to go in the season, as a 'historically weak' season is far too premature.

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I won't be surprised if Fernand goes damage total less. Andrea will be out when June NCDC is out. Ingrid, within a week or so probs.

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etc. Those stages are already being tracked, so just change the color when it hits the new stage, instead of changing the whole bar.

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here the more days go by the less chance there is for storms to form. I would consider this season to be overall below average. -

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/04/23/how-accurate-are-pre-season-hurricane-landfall-forecasts/

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on the second storm, and so forth. Not that I imagine anyone ever actually clicks on the See more detailed information link!--

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At what point are missing deaths from a storm confirmed? Is there a way to confirm those 6 missing people in Humberto?

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WPC still provides info until the system dissipates or is no longer a threat to the US. We can get the info from there

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http://www.tampabay.com/news/weather/hurricanes/quietest-hurricane-season-in-two-decades-confounds-forecasters/2147560

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The NHC is still issuing advisory. They're just not calling it tropical. Should we use the infobox still, or not? --♫

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In the case of a tie, the strongest would then be determined by winds which still leaves Humberto as the strongest.

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Based on the NHC best track data, both the season summary map and Chantal's track map appear to be fully updated.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Chantal are currently the strongest storms to have yet formed. This is going based upon the given wind speeds.

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took it down. But, it didn't turn out to be much of a storm and didn't hit land. Up to others, I don't care.

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We have the means to do so (similar to how the HPC/WPC provided info once the NHC discontinued) so why not.

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Seems like an editorial comment:"This continued a pattern of unusually early starting hurricane seasons"

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While "Super La Niña" is not yet recognized by the NOAA, several research papers discuss the phenomenon.

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Another thing that popped out to me was earlier in the season summary section there is this statement "

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I'd rather not nitpick much more, so I'll go through and make minor edits that I think might be needed.

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Why don't we add this to the main article? I'm sure that plenty of people would like to know this.

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resulting dryness—factors that occasionally disrupt what would otherwise be an active season—

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Not really worth it. What little impact there was can be easily put into the season article.

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It would be impossible to do that, as Jason Rees said. It would take up far too much room.

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Ok, but it is rather unusual for the strongest storm of the season to be only Category 1--

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I don't think there is any harm in doing so, since they are still issuing position fixes.

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I did create one a few of days ago, if you want to use it. You should be able to find it

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Here, we go by lowest pressure. It is a more accurate way to measure how strong it is.

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Does anyone here think it's worth noting that Andrea only caused $ 40,000 in damage?

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http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/karen-latest-news-gulf-coast-20131003

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I think Karen should get an article, but I want to see if it's ok to make one yet.

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Assuming that all of this information is correct, then both tropical storms Andrea

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Usually it's three months afterward, so sometime this month or early October. --♫

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I think this has changed somewhere down the years, but it now seems that with the

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There is a way but it would take a lot of coding and i doubt it would be worth it.

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How about the probabilty of a storm hitting not only the US coast, but any other?

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Please redo this section as to not give undue weight to non-notable occurrences.

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How long after a storm do the damage totals usually come in? Just want to know.

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As of 2013 August 08 1210EDT the introductory paragraph contains this sentence:

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Personally, no, it's a pretty minor total, and it's just a soft estimate. --♫

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and the calculations are shifted from 03/09/15/21 UTC to 00/06/12/18 UTC. --

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Can someone who has the time add text explaining why the storm was unnamed?

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How long would it take things like Andrea, Fernand, or Ingrid to come out?

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Yup. They're still treating it as an East Pacific storm so we do the same.

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Really, when will Ingrid's totals come out, and where will they come out?

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I agree. As long as there are continuous updates we should provide them.

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and not react so snarky to people who disagree with your opinion/POV.

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like it won't be counted as an Atlantic tropical cyclone in 2013. --♫

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Go ahead. I took it off before I realized that they were continuing.

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Maybe when its TCR comes out or it may not even have a damage total.

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The 67% is what NHC used within the November end off month summary.

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You say "Barry" a lot in its section; switch up the wording.

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Do you have any idea when the June NCDC would come out?

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Its worth noting though that the JTWC reported that

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