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millenium bc and the modern state niether existed during 9k bc! or if you want to reffer to the actual naming of the regions I guess you might use Israel for all of its de facto controlled territories (autonomy or whatever) Palestine for whatever the palestinins claim and start a deayed edit war with anyone who reads this (remote) page which for my opinion is a good thing anyway (to build up articles).
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Sorry, I must go for now. Will come back to you on Chan Hol as I know of it but need to read about it again. I think the boomerang was much, much earlier than this but will check. Tasmania may have been 10th millennium – I remember a Tasmanian I knew telling me it separated at the end of the last ice
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woman from the Yucutan. You don't mention the isolation of Tasmania or the invention of the boomerang in Australia. You mention that pottery was invented in China 18,000 years ago but you skip that it was in use in the Sahara and Sahel by the 10th millenium. Also, the earliest (contested, I think)
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It would be good to put down how they came about those population estimates. If I remember right, they assumed the population density of a city then was the same as the population density of a typical city in the same region today, so they multiplied that by the estimated total size of the city to
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one misnaming isn't better then the other. If you want to be super correct use the geological naming Palestine is a provincial naming of the area used by different colonial empires and adopted by the correct palestinians early in modern tmes, Israel was the ancient Kingdom of Israel in the second
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Update , It appears Two users seem keen in revamping this , ignoring the reasons I stated here. I can only say that if this sums up to this wikipedias integrity will fall even lower , I am not a casual editor in here but this ignorant authority abuse Is honestly unjust and what keeps people from
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finds as an example of independent innovation. There isn't much to be said about pottery in this millennium apart from reference to Kathleen Kenyon's classification, so the section is really just an overview of where pottery was at, with the intention of a continued thread through the various
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The Clovis culture appears to have ended in the 9th millennium, Tasmania was isolated at the end of the last ice age so the 9th millennium is within that range (and the Tasmania article also uses the date 10,000 years ago), boomerangs were invented earlier in Poland but were invented by the
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They can't have known there had been genetic improvements so I've simplified the sentence to the basic facts. The whole of this paragraph is sourced to Bronowski in 1973. I'd be happy to use more recent sources if they can be found but I think his views on these developments still hold
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There's a particular emphasis on goat remains by Melinda Zeder, one of the principal archaeologists at Ganj Derah, in the source. Ganj Derah dates from c.8500 BC but it seems to have been towards 8000 BC for the goats. I've reworded the sentence but do please alter this wording if you
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is "Either CE and BCE or AD and BC can be used ... It is inappropriate for a Knowledge editor to change from one style to another unless there is a a substantive reason; the Monual of Style fovors neither system over the other." If you wish to revive the discussion, please do so on
1427:, for starting the review. I'm rather short of time today but I've given answers to most of the points raised above. I should have more time tomorrow. By the way, you don't need to sign each point individually. It's usual to add a summary at the end of the list and just sign that. 1138:"The starting point for the Greenlandian is the Global Boundary Stratotype Section and Point (GSSP) sample from the North Greenland Ice Core Project" not necessary here. The GSSP is just the baseline used to define a stratigraphic age/epoch/period/era/etc., much like how the 1469:
about the Fell's Tradition with a good source to confirm the dating. I've heard of a Los Toldos tradition but can't find a source that confirms its dating (plenty about Eva Peron, of course), so I'll need your help with that – do you have a book or journal source we could
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but I notice the article includes a statement that the Folsom Complex dates to between 9000 BC and 8000 BC and is thought to have derived from the earlier Clovis culture. That would be fine for this article but there is no source. I've tagged the other article
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You seem to really gloss over the Americas and skip Africa and Australia entirely. You don't mention the Clovis people, the transition to the Folsom, or the Fell and Los Toldos cultures which inhabited the tip of South America during this millenium, or the
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From evidence of what appears to be tobacco leaves or residue found in ancient Egyption tombs. Of course this would push the earliest date of trade to about 3000 BC, not 8000 BC as stated in this article. In either case it's all highly speculative.
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I'm not a Christian, and 'BC' refers to something that is only belived by Christians. It is wrong that wikipedia should use BC. 'BCE' is the recognised universal terminology. this page name should be changed.
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I'm inclined to think the boomerang is too tenuous for inclusion. According to the NMA, the device is believed to have been used by Aboriginals around 20,000 years ago, although the oldest ones actually
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I'm reverting your arbitrary era change. The use of BCE/CE vs BC/AD has been a contentious issue on Knowledge for years. No consensus was reached so the present guideline at
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All sources I've ever found say that dogs were domesticated up to 100,000 years ago. At any rate, it is well known that they were domesticated before the 9th millennium BC.
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Yes, there is an earlier one somewhere. I remember reading about it. Have removed the earliest known clause and substituted c. 8500 BC as the estimated date for Cramond.
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millennia articles. I haven't found any sources for pottery finds explicitly dated to this millennium but, if there are any out there, they can be added later.
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Anyway, do take a look and see what you think. I should have more availability for the next couple of days and happy to answer further queries. Thanks again.
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The abstract there doesn't mention any timeframe so it isn't usable, unless you are meaning one of the many links off that page. Do you have another source?
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If you want to be completely impartial about it (for no reason other than racism - because really, there is only one reason why you refuse to recognise
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The name Palestine was coined only in the first century AD and meaningful only when referring to the periods the area was called that way.
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as the name for the area), then according to the Dorling Kindersley World History Atlas the proper name for the area at 9th century BCE is
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Not important, just something mentioned in the source. The important point is its ease of scattering. I've taken out the chromosome piece.
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says 7000 BC but that doesn't rule out an earlier start. If you have a source for the 9th millennium, do please include it in the article.
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The dates aren't in the abstract, you'll need to actually read it. The title literally translates to "New dates for Los Toldos rock art"
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at the Australian National Museum site, based on research by Iain Davidson and David Roberts. I've actually added this to
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This seems a bit far fetched to me - Trans-Atlantic trade in the 9th millennium BC? Is there a source for this?
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In this article it is stated that Maglemosians were seen already from c. 8750 BC. However in the article about
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even trying to contribute in talk pages. I hope that someone higher up will see this and warn them.
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I think it was later, no earlier than the 8th millennium, but I'm by no means sure. Our article on
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It seems that Tasmania is held to have completed its separation from Australia by the end of the
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If it was called the land of israel it would be misnamed for the period all the same.
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I've reworded because the Levant covers a much wider area than was implied.
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I ran a search on early massacres and found the Smithsonian article about
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was a plain gradually inundated over several centuries – for example, see
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was earlier and would be out of scope here. I don't know much about the
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above, that would be going into too much detail. There is a link to
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and this goes some way towards explaining the concept and method.
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why is it important than emmer had twice as many chromosomes?
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The language is Spanish and "nuevos datos" translates as new
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with some new information. A few comments about my findings:
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so I've added that to the article now. I found a piece in
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Yes, that was a bit too much detail as there is a link to
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wasn't agriculture introduced to India 10,000 years ago?
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would be the more appropriate venue. The NMA page is
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