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The only thing about the demise of evenings is that it happened a couple of decades ago, at least in the States. So it's pretty old news here, although there should be a sentence at least referencing the development. I do agree, though, that there are other trends which could be added. As far as the
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In a down economy, the smart play is to go to school to learn new skills, network, and ride it out. At least, that's the case in a normal industry. But conventional wisdom has it that planning for a future in journalism makes as much sense as signing up for a career as a
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was to textiles and clothes in the 19th century. How do we capture that kind of concept in a title? I would not be adverse to using the word "crisis" in the title, because that is what it is. The crisis is not entirely due to the
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Online newspaper will not replace the normal newspapers on print because still not everyone has the
Internet. In addition many people prefer newspapers, because reader there do not have the option to post comments while on online newspapers you can read someone's comments under the
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It's possible to copy the whole thing, put it into a sandbox, and do the rewrites yourself, then paste it back here. It could be something as drastic as eliminating the old info, or simply putting it into a new section headed "In the past," or something of the sort.
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