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The first edition, published in 1927-31, was two volumes but three physical books - volume I, which was published in 1927 and covered the period to 1863, was bound as Volume I Part I and Volume I Part II but these two were sold as a pair - the pagination continued across the split so the page numbers
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in 1863, and in another sense with the retirement of Charles A. Saunders, who had been Secretary of the GWR from before its incorporation until 1864. Part I (pages i-xvi and 1-456 plus a fold-out map of the system as of 1855) is a largely chronological history of the development and expansion of the
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As an American railfan myself, I do understand the fascination with minute details of a favorite railway's construction and operation. However, as a reader, I don't enjoy wading through minutiae to get the most basic facts. It seems to me the whole point and purpose of building the GWR was to haul
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are unique to Vol. I even if you don't know which of the two parts the page is in. Both Prts have a Contents, but only Part II has an index. Volume II, which was published in 1931 and covered the 1863-1921 period, was a single physical book, so has no part numbering. Its pagination restarts at 1.
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Maybe so, but you DO confuse your readers unnecessarily. Exeter is south of Bristol; London is east. It does not necessarily follow that the Bristol and Exeter is a component of the route to/from London. But hey, mate, if it's just too hard for you to write
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Since "Vol. I Part I" takes the history up to 1863, and "Vol. II" picks up from 1863, what is in "Vol. I Part II"? Judging by the contents list of "Vol. II", it would be more detailed coverage of services, locomotives and rolling stock. Is that so?
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The second edition, published in the 1960s, was revised by O.S. Nock, and not only is the pagination completely different, volume I is now bound as a single physical book. A Volume III was also added, taking the story from 1921 to 1947.
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I had the 4-4-0 "City" class in mind, which (as I understand it) were designed while Dean was still nominally in charge, and built in about 1903. I believe Churchward tried out 4-4-2, bringing over three French "Atlantics", converting
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explaining what I asked for - which I assure you many other readers in and out of the UK would also like to see - then forget about it. You keep the article just the way you like it, and we'll all go read about something else.
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Further extensions were opened at subsequent dates, a full list may be found in MacDermot: Volume I Appendix I (pages 857-870) for lines opened 1838-1863; and Volume II Appendix I (pages 595-633) for lines opened 1863-1920.
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Thanks for that. Therefore the "Vol. I Part I" in archive.org, which has no index, is indeed only Part I, and "Vol. I Part II" is not in the archive. "Vol. II" is present, as is Nock's "Vol. III".
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Note that I don't distinguish the two Parts of vol. 1, since the pagination is continuous (see below). I don't have the second editions of these two volumes, but I do have vol. 3:
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As an Anglophile, I take a kindly interest from across the sea in British railways - the originals! - and it seems to me that a simple, concise sentence in the lede giving
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The name of the Flying Dutchman Racehorse came from an old story, and has nothing to do with Maarten Tromp, Trom was never the Flying Dutchman, that story is way older.
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Bridgwater and the Box Tunnel - you Brits know where those places are, and their relation to Bristol and the line of the railway - but
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GWR during this period, and includes previous histories of railways that amalgamated or were absorbed before 1863, such as the
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on 31 August 1835 and ran its first trains in 1838 with the initial route completed between London and Bristol in 1841.
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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards,
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Ah! I was forgetting about the City class. I was thinking of North Star in its initial form. Thank you.
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Both parts of Vol. I take the story up to 1863-64, ending in one sense with the amalgamation of the GWR,
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The GWR main line remained incomplete during the construction of the 1-mile-1,452-yard (2.94 km)
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Quote "After 1902 G. J. Churchward developed a distinctive style of locomotive in 4-4-0 ...".
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is named "Vol. I Part I". Is there a "Vol. I Part II", or is Part II the same as Vol. II?
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the date the first regular trains began running through from Paddington to Temple Meads
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as a 4-4-2 (though it ended up as a 4-6-0). There may have been other 4-4-2 designs. --
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that was finally able to happen is *not at all clear* from this article.
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Box Tunnel is linked, as is Bridgwater in the preceding sentence:
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Do you mean when the line was opened? It was opened in stages: at
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miles (36 km) of line, from Paddington station in London to
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History of the Great Western Railway, vol. III: 1923–1947
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History of the Great Western Railway, vol. II: 1863–1921
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History of the Great Western Railway, vol. I: 1833–1863
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Thanks for bringing this together so comprehensively.
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goods and people between Bristol and London; but just
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The Internet Archive has two volumes of MacDermot's
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