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First of all the website from which it has been taken is not neutral secondly couple of days ago i saw this picture with the description "palestenian fighters with anti-aircaft guns" I dont have the link to verify it right now but I will try my best to find one soon. Thanks
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Hi, Well I was wondering, do people have any sources that Hezbollah possess the types weapons that part of the article says they do? Some items are cited but quite a lot isn't. e.g. anti-ship, anti-tank, part of the anti-air weapons and some of the rockets.
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