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Afghanistan you'd understand- this is the Hazara ethnic group. Yes, speaking Persian isn't proof that we're not just Mongol immigrants, but how is our own physical ethnic features not enough? Yes, we have Mongol ancestry, but it is partial ancestry of ancestors who mixed with the natives. I don't see how the proof is on me, a mixed race man, that we don't somehow not have a relation to the country we are from and live in. How do you assume it works that we're not Iranic? With no proof- we are just Persian-speaking unrelateds? We would be "well-known" if it weren't for being erased visibly like this. Also, if you check Hazara wiki page you will find sources regarding our Iranic heritage. Sorry, I'm knew to wikipedia and don't know how to cite. I know me and my people, though.
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Iranian Azerbaijanis at later parts and groups them in the CIC as they should be by all genetics evidence. When I simply added Azeris to the list of modern Iranian people the said user repeatedly edited my addition despite me pointing out in edit notes that I am just adding something that should already be there. I would like to have this issue solved. Is there any actual source that is some how refuting the existing reputable sources in this article that we are all missing? Because otherwise my very minimalist and simple addition should be reinstated
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Mazanderanis, the Ossetians, the Pamiris, the Pashtuns, the Persians, the Tats, the Tajiks, the Hazaras, the Talysh, the Wakhis, the Yaghnobis, and the Zazas." Hazaras are an iranic people, we speak an Iranic language (Farsi/Dari), same as the Tajiks of Afghanistan. We are descendants of Tajiks who mixed with Changis Khan and his Mongol army. Don't exclude us from Iranic people please, we are Iranic. You can place the word "Hazaras" anywhere on the list of Iranic peoples, I just put it next to Tajik because they are our ancestors/brothers.
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So a while back I had this back and forth with user
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I have no access to the other source (number 14), but the
Iranica entry does not support what you added to the lede, namely, the Hazaras being an Iranian people (it only says that they speak Persian). As a response to your edit summary, please correct if i'm missing something, but while a content
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Iranian people" but not Hazaras? I know my own people. We share many features with Afghan Tajiks, many of use are even indistinguishable (w/o Mongol features). I, and others in my family, have done DNA tests and confirmed that we are mix of native Tajiks and
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Brazilians speak
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Iranica. The other groups are well-known Iranian peoples, why should i remove them from the leadĀ ?
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I have got far better things to do than enter into arguments about whether there is some "true" meaning of belonging to an ethnic group, beyond language, country of residence, self-identificatuon, etc, so I have reverted my edit. You may do what you will.
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It is simple, genealogy does not care about your language when it studies your genes, and anthropology does not look at your language and go "Ah that decides it, these people in south africa speaking english are brits"
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It was no more unsourced than the other entries in the list, which for some reason you didn't remove. Anyway, I've now added links to two sources (which were already cited in the article).
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