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population consisted of ethnic minorities, the
Pahlavi regime issued in quick succession bans on the use of Azeri on the premises of schools, in theatrical performances, religious ceremonies, and, finally, in the publication of books. Azeri was reduced to the status of a language that only could be spoken and hardly ever written. As the Persianization campaign gained momentum, it drew inspiration from the revivalist spirit of Zoroastrian national glories. There followed even more invasive official practices, such as changing Turkic-sounding geographic names and interference with giving children names other than Persian ones. While cultivating cordial relations with Kemalist Turkey, Reza Shah carried on a forceful de-Turkification campaign in Iran
490:, the text clearly states: "Though many call it a Indo Aryan language, many consider it to be an Iranian language as the heavy influence of Persian." One thing that should be clear is that nobody (or at least, not me) is disputing the fact that Urdu has been historically influenced by the Persian language; this does not, however, make Urdu an Iranian language — it is an Indo-Aryan language (feel free to look at any Knowledge article or even an external source if you're convinced that it isn't). You can argue that this wasn't a statement of fact, and only an opinion, in which case, check out
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Persian country. When I edited the article, I never disputed or removed the fact that Urdu has been influenced by Persian, since that's the entire reason that Urdu is even on this page. I figured my edit summaries alongside the article history would be enough, but here's the full and detailed explanation. ➤
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Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Iran Persian countries, Pakistan is also included." Again with the "many consider" with no sources. In any case, I don't think I need to further explain what's
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what is this crap? lurs/bakhterians/gilakis/mazandaranis/tajiks arent different they are a different persian tribe they arent ethnically different.also azeris werent turkish from beginning they were persians and spoke tati another persian dialect lik most iranians today speak which are persian
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the official policy pursued by Reza Shah
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137:, I have checked the book and although there is a mention about Soviet penetration into Azarbaijan province, and the movement policy for Azari Language, but there is no such a entry as you stated. Therefore can I have the page number for the entry? Thanks
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You won't find any fact-based sources referring to Urdu as an
Iranian language or that it should be considered one. If that was the case, there should be an argument to classify Urdu as a Semitic language since it has been influenced by Arabic as well.
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Seriously, how is it possible to
Persianify some Persian tribes, and create a Knowledge entry based on this wrong conclusion? How can you prove that People of Azarbaijan, with such a pure Persian name, are not Persian?
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I renamed the
Urbanization section to Afghanistan and added more info to reflect the persianization of this Middle Eastern country. If you have questions about the changes made, please let me know. Thanks.
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