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My introduction to SMS Goeben/Yavuz was in a coffetable book
Anthony Preston's "Battleships 1856-1977" (Chartwell Books, 1977). It is noted in the closing pages that Yavuz was a museum ship in its last days, often "crewed" by only a caretaker and his cat. The scrapping of Yavuz left only USS Texas as
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I added a line in the prose to point out it was the 1918 attack that was the first air attack on a capital ship, and fixed the 1916-18 gap. As for the bit about it being offered to West
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Yes, this issue had already been discussed in my page. But there was no satisfactory explanation. The name of the ship was Yavuz for 36 years and the most important event in her history was during this period. The rationale based on her name in
English speaking world is not conclusive, because there
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It was not proper to use the previous German name for a ship that became the flagship of the
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Russians chased after them, the ponderous battleships at their maximum of 25 knots," "... but she spurted out of range ...," "... stern searchlights stabbed back down her wake, illuminating the sinister shapes of five destroyers ...,"
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for the events after she was renamed, but not to the
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the text contains two times the statement that the repairs lasted from 7 august to 19 october 1918. the first must be wrong, since is placed before 30 march 1918. it should be replaced by a statement that works in
Constantinople in early 1918 allowed the vessel to cross the Black Sea (or something
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The above discussion seems rather dated, but it does not seem resolved to me. Not by a long shot. A name is a name and it is unique. It is not a matter of language or nationality. Once the name of the ship is printed on its side, there is no other name used by anyone, from anyone's navy. Besides
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Ottoman Empire. Terms like "unfortunately" and "the tragedy of Gallipoli" are especially bad. Though Gallipoli was surely a tragedy in terms of lives lost on both sides, it is a victory that Turkish people take pride in. Also, the encounter in the
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This is just a discussion, I did not edit any names, not sure why so defensive. Secondly, what makes this battleship most historic is the role it played in forcing Ottoman Empire into WWI, which changed a lot of history. I had added one sentence and it included reference to Enver Pasha who had
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Another point. This ship fought under the flag of the Ottoman Empire for most of World War I, and had a very long postwar career as the flagship of the Turkish Navy. It was the Yavuz Sultan Selim for much longer than it was the Goeben, so why isn't it listed under its Turkish name?
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The Germans hit Slava in 1916 with a couple of light bombs that killed her captain. The Russians thought it was field artillery, but the Germans claimed it was a couple of seaplanes that did it in their official history. It's mentioned in the article on Slava. So I'd just drop the
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There had been a full list of captains inboard this vessel. However user PARCECBOY called them from an unreliable source an errased it. I gave the correct source "turk navy high command" and then he again erased as "unimportend data". Here is the List
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Tks mate. Before finalising, what's your response to Storm's point on the talk page re. a possibly earlier first aerial attack on a capital ship? I don't doubt the veracity of your citation but be nice to deal with any contradictory claims... Cheers,
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stands for "Turkiye Cumhuriyeti Gemisi" which translates as "Republic of Turkey's Ship". There was no Republic of Turkey in 1914 and the ship being renamed "TCG Yavuz Sultan Selim" at that date is not possible. As far as I know it was named just
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Nice as that postcard is, it was postmarked in 1991 (and is obviously at very least only published in 1975 - see the caption on the reverse side) so unfortunately we can't use it. It's too bad, since that would have made a nice lead image.
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this please. Also the the proper name of the cruiser is Hamidiye, as it is spelled here. The other one is Mecidiye. I corrected them also. Hamidiye is in desperate need of disambiguation, as it never appears as the cruiser it is.
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Why did Yavuz bombard Sevastopol on 29 October in her first operation against Imperial Russia, though the Ottoman Empire was not yet at war with the Entente? As it brought Turkey into WW1 I rather think the question should be asked.
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Couple of corrections/expansions needed here. Raglan and M28 were at anchor off Imbros Island (there's a brief article on the Battle of Imbros) when sunk. Lord Nelson was at Saloniki, but Agamemnon was at Mudros. <ref:
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Well, it's nearly 15 months later, and there has been has no reply of any sort whatsoever. I therefore intend to make some additions to the article in accordance with my findings as outlined above.
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career under Turkey was obviously the most important part of it, but I think her political role under Germany trumps that. In any case, most English sources that discuss her do so under the name
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in the early weeks of the war, a terrible failure for the Royal Navy which helped guarantee that the Ottoman Empire would join Germany's side. That second reason is discussed at length in
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He likes to take away facts, because HE judges them unessecery. For example he delete the complete captains list of Yavuz in english Version, which i translated from turkish to englich--
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