858:(author Andrés León Araya - an associate professor of political science and anthropology at the University of Costa Rica) taking account the new congress composition, "Second, differences are hard to come by when there is a general agreement regarding the diagnosis, as well as the cure, for the country’s social and economic ailments. Apart from the Frente Amplio (Broad Front, FA), which recognizes itself as socialist democratic party, all the parties that received at least 150 thousand votes and elected members to congress stand clearly on the right of the political spectrum. As such, all of them share the view that the national economy’s biggest problem is fiscal and that the solution is to reduce the public sector and promote macroeconomic austerity, not to tax the rich or bet on the domestic market. Socially—except again for the FA—they all follow a very conservative line in terms of women’s and LGBTQI+."
749:, Ese fue el porcentaje que le otorgó la victoria electoral en Costa Rica al economista liberal Rodrigo Chaves, líder del Partido Progreso Social Democrático; Por su parte, el economista de derecha Rodrigo Chaves, de 60 años, del Progreso Social Democrático, sorprendió tras haber estado atrás en las encuestas, y anotó un 16,7%. Fue ministro de Hacienda del gobierno saliente por medio año. Translation: That was the percentage that gave the electoral victory in Costa Rica to the liberal economist Rodrigo Chaves, leader of the Social Democratic Progress Party. For his part, the right-wing economist Rodrigo Chaves, 60, of the Democratic Social Progress, surprised after being behind in the polls, and scored 16.7%. He was Finance Minister of the outgoing government for half a year.
1135:. TSE mentions the self-declared points of the party and Gaceta says the party defines "itself". These two sources are what you attached above. Is there any actual source with secondary information to back this up? If there is, we can soon conclude this discussion. So far what we can agree upon is that Conservatism should be in the infobox as well as the current position, but the dispute is social democracy, and to fix this you need to find a secondary source which does not mention the "self-declaration". That is the issue.
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789:, "The election of conservative Chaves, a member of the Social Democratic Progress Party, marks a step change from the progressive rhetoric of the last two presidents of this Central American country. Chaves is seen as a maverick in political circles, with similarities to other populist right-wing leaders in the Americas such as Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro."
810:(from academic Oliver Stuenkel, an associate professor at the School of International Relations at Fundação Getulio Vargas (FGV) in São Paulo Brazil), "the conservative Chaves, a former finance minister and World Bank economist, defeated former president José María Figueres with 53 percent of the vote in the April 3 runoff."
902:. Some sources do describe the party as right-wing however describing social democratic parties as right-wing is very common at least in Latin America, PLN itself is generally considered center-right and is officially a social democratic party. Of the many sources you add, is there anyone that mentions the
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alternatives at hand to solve the issue. You said there's one source, El Faro, that describe the party as conservative. Perfect. I added two sources that describes it as social democratic. No source to this point describes it as liberal or economically liberal. Thus, by using logic the
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PD: In order to reach some middle ground I may agree to keep the ideologies of economic liberalism and social conservativism (despite such sources only referring to the candidate not the party) if a tag is added with the "better source needed" that way in the future sources for the party in specific
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now there's another issue. As of right now no source describes the party as "liberal", socially conservative or economically liberal. All sources provided only describe Chaves as such. In practice the only source that describe the party itself is the one that describes it as conservative (El Faro).
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This only describes Chaves. But I do understand where you are coming from, as this party declared itself as social-democratic. While those sources are secondary, it only describes Chaves, one for the party would be needed, and if found/provided, I'm okay with the inclusion of it in the infobox. I
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El PSD que lidera Chaves se define con una propuesta ideológica de “socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las decisiones”. translated to: The PSD led by Chaves
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ARTICULO NUEVE: PRINCIPIOS RECTORES DEL PENSAMIENTO DEL PARTIDO. Compartimos en general la propuesta ideológica de la socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las
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ARTICULO NUEVE: PRINCIPIOS RECTORES DEL PENSAMIENTO DEL PARTIDO. Compartimos en general la propuesta ideológica de la socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las
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Both sources attached here only mention the self descriptions of the party, unless there is another source that you haven't attached in this discussion. If any of these used secondary information, there would be no problem, but this falls under self-description, which should be excluded per
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the party is not mentioned at any point. This source is used twice. The source does mentions the candidate and describes him as economically liberal and socially conservative, does not mentions the party at any moment. This source seems to be the same as the other one just in the archive:
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ARTICLE NINE: GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE THOUGHT OF THE PARTY. We generally share the ideological proposal of modern social democracy, in which the concurrence of the capitalist system and the demands of fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which they make the
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ARTICLE NINE: GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE THOUGHT OF THE PARTY. We generally share the ideological proposal of social democracy modern, in which the concurrence of the capitalist system and the demands of fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which they make the
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A dispute surged about the official ideology of the party as presented on the
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has constantly removed under different excuses the references that mention that the party's official ideology is social democracy including the
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And how is El Faro different from the two sources that describe it as social democratic? Notice that I'm requesting the inclusion of social democracy in the infobox not the exclusion of the others e.i. that social democracy be added alongside the rest. Why
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801:(from academic Rotsay Rosales, a political scientist and head of the National Policy Observatory of the University of Costa Rica), "Chaves has a liberal economic position, is socially conservative, pro-law and order and against the political class."
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The PSD led by Chaves defines itself with an ideological proposal of "modern social democracy, in which the competition of the capitalist system and the demands for fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which decisions are
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El PSD que lidera Chaves se define con una propuesta ideológica de “socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las
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I'm not questioning whether Chaves himself is right-wing populist/conservative and the rest. In fact I myself am convince of it and I included him in the
Conservative Wave and other such classifications. I'm questioning the description of
824:, "Chaves, representing the recently formed center-right Social Democratic Progress Party, narrowly bested former President Jose Maria Figueres of the traditional center-left National Liberation Party by less than 5 percentage points."
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defines itself with an ideological proposal of "modern social democracy, in which the competition of the capitalist system and the demands for fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which decisions are made."
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as socialdemocrat. I proceed to add it as agreed upon. "Antes de su postulación, yo consideraba a doña Pilar como una liberal progresista, por lo que su decisión de contender por un partido socialdemócrata me parece llamativa."
704:, "Knowledge articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Knowledge to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist."
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730:, "With nearly all polling stations reporting late Sunday, conservative economist Rodrigo Chaves had 53% of the vote, compared to 47% for former President José Figueres Ferrer, the Supreme Electoral Tribunal said."
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So far this is not convincing. You say there are two news outlets, and both are reliable and secondary sources. So let's take a look at the sources you have used in this discussion: 1)
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This source does not mentions the party's ideology either, it does describes Chaves as conservative, again the same argument use by
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at no point I mentioned the party's statute. The two sources I mentioned clearly are both news outlets. I said it several times already. So again, I ask, considering that there are
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This source does not mentions the party at any moment, and does not describes Chaves in any way ideologically, the words liberal or conservative does not appear in any moment.
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made out of news reports from reliable news outlets describing the party as social democratic, do you have any objection? And yet again to emphasizes,
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758:, The right-wing former finance minister defeated centrist former President Jose Maria Figueres amid low turnout.
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En el caso de Rodrigo Chaves, un líder que combina dosis de progresismo y conservadurismo. Bloomberg.
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PARTIDO PROGRESO SOCIAL DEMOCRÁTICO ESTATUTO: translated to DEMOCRATIC SOCIAL PROGRESS PARTY STATUTE
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Sure, that sounds like a good proposal. Then we can consider this dispute resolved. Cheers.
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This source is by far missleading as it does not support what BastianMAT assures it support.
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Alright, thanks BastianMAT, I'll added in a few hours with the correct template. Cheers. --
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